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Post by daverayne on Jun 8, 2007 13:09:33 GMT -5
SO basically, "The Doctor" no matter what anyone else says youl just repeat the same line anout the Daleks being too powrful, or my favourite of your responses "the daoleks would allow it"
infact his isnt even a discussion, justan excuse for you to stick out your tongue at everyone.
But in my opinion the Borg would win, imply because i dont by into your "the daleks would increase their weapon powers".. all it would take is one drone to infect a dalek with nanites and it will start a ripple effect, more and more daleks will be asimilated untill the borg and daleks are indistinguishable
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 8, 2007 15:48:23 GMT -5
SO basically, "The Doctor" no matter what anyone else says youl just repeat the same line anout the Daleks being too powrful, or my favourite of your responses "the daoleks would allow it" infact his isnt even a discussion, justan excuse for you to stick out your tongue at everyone. But in my opinion the Borg would win, imply because i dont by into your "the daleks would increase their weapon powers".. all it would take is one drone to infect a dalek with nanites and it will start a ripple effect, more and more daleks will be asimilated untill the borg and daleks are indistinguishable The reason why I repeat myself is basically because people don't seem to get the message first time around, and I must politely caution you about that " not even a discussion" remark there, because it is not true. Also, if a Dalek is infected it'd just self-destruct as it is no longer a "pure Dalek". The Daleks consider themselves the supreme beings and when it comes to taking down an enemy they'll find a way. Like the borg, they like to plunder technology, but unlike the borg they exterminate any life form that isn't borg. Also, how would a borg be able to infect a Dalek if a drone can't get close enough? Daleks are protected by next to impenetrable energy shields that can dissolve bullets and adapt to energy weapons (like the borg in a way). Then, even if the drone gets past that, the Dalek casing is very hard to penetrate, requiring explosives and/or bastic-headed (armour piercing) bullets to penetrate. So, the chances of a Dalek being assimilated are slim. Plus, with torpedos capable of destroying a TARDIS (next to indestructible in essence), the attacking borg vessel would stand little chance of survival, and if need be, a Dalek vessel can tranverse several galaxies in just a few hours, wheras it'd take a borg cube several years, months at the least. And, as a last resort, and I keep having to repeat this, the Daleks can use time travel as a weapon (giving the more powerful Time Lords a run for their money). So, the odds are tipped in favour of the Daleks here, with the borg with a very slim chance of victory (not impossible, just Extremely Difficult with a capital E and D).
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Post by daverayne on Jun 10, 2007 17:39:39 GMT -5
Nanites arent bullets, adn they arent energy weapons. They are tiny. microscoping robots. Im pretty sure a Nanite infestation could get its way into a daleks biological core. And once infected the "will" of the dalek, the part that woul see itelf as an impure dalek, has no control anyway. maybe some would self destruct, but as many would assimilate. The Daleks see them selves as perfect, and the Borg see themselves as perfect. Any "individual" Dalek infected would never even have moment to see itself as "impure" as its perspective hasnt even changed. Its simply transitioning from one perfection to another. As for getting close, the Borg have sight to sight Transportation capabilites...
And you keep coming back to time travel as the tie-breaker... Borg are capable of time travel too.
As for the "not even a discussion" remark... what are you cautioning me about? Its my opinion, i stated t flatly, without personal insult or vulgarity. What did i do wrong?
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 11, 2007 6:08:21 GMT -5
Nanites arent bullets, adn they arent energy weapons. They are tiny. microscoping robots. Im pretty sure a Nanite infestation could get its way into a daleks biological core. And once infected the "will" of the dalek, the part that woul see itelf as an impure dalek, has no control anyway. maybe some would self destruct, but as many would assimilate. The Daleks see them selves as perfect, and the Borg see themselves as perfect. Any "individual" Dalek infected would never even have moment to see itself as "impure" as its perspective hasnt even changed. Its simply transitioning from one perfection to another. As for getting close, the Borg have sight to sight Transportation capabilites... And you keep coming back to time travel as the tie-breaker... Borg are capable of time travel too. As for the "not even a discussion" remark... what are you cautioning me about? Its my opinion, i stated t flatly, without personal insult or vulgarity. What did i do wrong? Nanites, still physical objects, can easily be blocked by the energy shields. Also, even if the Dalek, capable of detecting changes within itself, didn't self destruct, the others would do it for him. And granted, the borg are capable of time travel, but Dalek time travel facilities are considerably more advanced in comparison, with Dalek individuals capable of travelling in time without the aid of any craft, just their casings. Also, Dalek Ships are capable of blocking transports with their shields, as can be done with any other ship in the Star Trek or Doctor Who universe. Also, the Daleks would only have to get access to one borg drone, and so long as they can keep it alive (which is very likely), they can use that drone to destroy at least a good portion of the collective in one swoop. Of course, the likelyhood of ever getting that far is slim as the fire power of a Dalek vessel is greater than that of the Death Star from Star Wars- if one Dalek ship can destroy a medium sized planet, it can destroy a Borg cube/sphere/dodecahedron/other 3D shape you can name. And as for your comment, it's your opinion, but it simply isn't true, so no more on that and back on the topic in hand.
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Post by daverayne on Jun 11, 2007 10:15:21 GMT -5
How would having a drone captive help the daleks?
I still think that the key to success for the Borg s there daptive capbilites. The Daleks just dont evolve, they dont see how they can eb any more perfect, whilst every encounter between the two species would leave the Borg stronger and stronger
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 11, 2007 13:10:54 GMT -5
How would having a drone captive help the daleks? I still think that the key to success for the Borg s there daptive capbilites. The Daleks just dont evolve, they dont see how they can eb any more perfect, whilst every encounter between the two species would leave the Borg stronger and stronger The Daleks are very clever, you know that episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where the Enterprise crew found a lone borg drone and that they found a way they could do away with the collective throught that drone; only that Picard said no? Well, they can do that. Also, whilst the Daleks don't biologically evolve, they do make upgrades to their technology. And as I said, if one small-medium sized Dalek vessel can destroy and Earth sized planet with same firepower as the Death star, the offending cube wouldn't stand a chance. Also, the Daleks are capable of learning, so each encounter they had with the Borg, any slip-ups they made they note down and find a way to avoid them. The two are similar, but the Daleks have technology that outstrips the Borg's by a millenium, who's to say they wouldn't act like Species 8472 as far as biology is concerned? (Though, that is pure unfounded speculation on my part. It's not actually part of the argument, just a footnote.) Furthermore, if they were accompanied by their creator, Davros, the chances of biological evolution would be higher as he'd instigate it in his quest to make them the supreme beings. So, any threats to the Daleks he'd take seriously and so he'd find a way to eliminate the enemy.
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Post by daverayne on Jun 12, 2007 20:10:23 GMT -5
Isnt Davros dead??
Yes the collective could have been destroyed through the one drone they found, that learnt individuality.. infact he cause a schism in the borg, that was exploited by Lor (Data's brother)... but i honestly dont think the Daleks would be capable of approaching the problem from that perspective.
The fight could go either way, but i honestly think the longer the fights lasts the more likely the borg are to win, simply because of their adaptive nature.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 13, 2007 6:38:30 GMT -5
Isnt Davros dead?? Yes the collective could have been destroyed through the one drone they found, that learnt individuality.. infact he cause a schism in the borg, that was exploited by Lor (Data's brother)... but i honestly dont think the Daleks would be capable of approaching the problem from that perspective. The fight could go either way, but i honestly think the longer the fights lasts the more likely the borg are to win, simply because of their adaptive nature. At the end of 'Remembrance of the Daleks', as the Imperial Dalek ship was about to be destroyed, a Dalek announced that the Dalek Emperor (Davros) was about to leave in an escape pod, and as the ship blew up, you could see something leave so there's a possibility he's not dead afterall. Also, the Daleks are capable of many things. Although their thought process tend to be more logical, they are capable of creative thought (Remembrance of the Daleks), and can employ agents to do their dirty deeds. So, it's an all likely possibility that they could do what Lore did. Also, the Borg's adaptive nature is an advantage, but the Daleks can also adapt to weapons and such (Doomsday). In fact, I've seen Star Wars/Star Trek debates where (after endless ours of research) it had been deemed that the Galactic Empire could defeat the Borg in a fight. Now, take the Daleks, a bit like the Galactic Empire but more advanced. Even though the Borg can adapt, in the end brute force can overpower them and brute force is a word that goes hand in hand with the Daleks. Also, if the Daleks can drive the Time Lords near the edge of extinction, and the Time Lords are 10 times more advanced and powerful, they could do the same with the Borg. As I said, a Dalek vessel would be able to destroy a Borg cube with one shot, and then go on a rampage wiping out Borg strong holds without even having to repel borders or deploy ground forces. Plus, if the Daleks need to escape, their ships can tranverse the distances between galaxies in minutes, leaving the Borg for dust.
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