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Post by xkamelx on Sept 27, 2006 14:51:57 GMT -5
Doesn't it seem like a major flaw in the Borg to ignore intruders on their ships because they are not seen as a threat? More times then not, when people have beamed over to a Borg Cube, Sphere, etc. they are there to do some damage, and usually get away with it because the Borg let them go about their business until the damage is done. It just seems to be that with all of the information the Borg has assimilated, they would have learned to not allow intruders to walk freely on their ships.
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Post by 0 of 0 on Sept 27, 2006 15:47:55 GMT -5
I don't think that the borg pay much attention to intruders because I think that the borg can d o alot more damage to the other ship then the intruders to their's. I also think that its almost impossible to escape a borg cube without being detected first. The borg probably are aware of your presence because they can detect your transporter signal; then they send a drone to investigate. If they discover that you are a threat they would send several mor drones to deal with the matter. The Borg ship would most likely raise shields now to prevent further intrusion, and also prevent the intruders from escaping.
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Post by xkamelx on Sept 27, 2006 15:58:34 GMT -5
So you're saying the Borg are over confident? Their tactics didn't stop Locustus from being rescued, then used to destroy the cube. My mind's a little blank now, but Janeway and crew boarded a Cube several times and accomplished their mission, all the while the Drones were just walking by them tending to their duties.
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Post by survivor69 on Sept 28, 2006 11:19:50 GMT -5
I think the Borg idea would have worked out a whole lot better if they were Chinese Cresteds........................
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Post by 0 of 0 on Sept 30, 2006 17:51:46 GMT -5
So you're saying the Borg are over confident? Their tactics didn't stop Locustus from being rescued, then used to destroy the cube. My mind's a little blank now, but Janeway and crew boarded a Cube several times and accomplished their mission, all the while the Drones were just walking by them tending to their duties. They were able to pull of their "Fort Knox" stunt because they first disabled the sphere's shields with spatial charges, and had camoflauge.
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Post by zdnexus on Nov 28, 2006 17:07:55 GMT -5
Consider this the Borg are machines and not living things. A living thing has a greater sense of danger and will avoid at all cost. A Borg drone is a machine and will only do what its program tells it to do nothing else. The assimilation process is a program installed in the minds of all the Borg queens, it does not necesarily mean they could know or respond with 100% accuracy to any given situation. If too much information flows the decision making process becomes even more complex. When Data played along with Borg Queen aboard the Enterprise in the movie 'First Contact' she could not possibly predict the trick he was going to play on her. she assumed she had acquired complete control over his mind, which she had not.. The assimilation process is for specific purposes, although the Borg say 'we shall add your biological and technological disctinctiveness to our own' they are actually doing the opposite they are turning people into Borg drones removing every trace of individuality. A Borg drone does not react individually he reacts only when he is instructed to react not otherwise. The Borg are like space disease acting on a program which is outdated. A Borg drone can be killed because he has not been instructed to defend himself he is disposable a piece of junk.
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Post by 0 of 0 on Nov 28, 2006 21:53:08 GMT -5
Consider this the Borg are machines and not living things. A living thing has a greater sense of danger and will avoid at all cost. A Borg drone is a machine and will only do what its program tells it to do nothing else. The assimilation process is a program installed in the minds of all the Borg queens, it does not necesarily mean they could know or respond with 100% accuracy to any given situation. If too much information flows the decision making process becomes even more complex. When Data played along with Borg Queen aboard the Enterprise in the movie 'First Contact' she could not possibly predict the trick he was going to play on her. she assumed she had acquired complete control over his mind, which she had not.. The assimilation process is for specific purposes, although the Borg say 'we shall add your biological and technological disctinctiveness to our own' they are actually doing the opposite they are turning people into Borg drones removing every trace of individuality. A Borg drone does not react individually he reacts only when he is instructed to react not otherwise. The Borg are like space disease acting on a program which is outdated. A Borg drone can be killed because he has not been instructed to defend himself he is disposable a piece of junk. Actually the borg queen did not install the program that they should assimilate to understand. The borg acquire this over time and it becomes an adaptation for them to survive. Also the hive mind does not think like a machine. It has it's own personality.
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Post by Death Maker on Dec 1, 2006 22:08:21 GMT -5
I do think this was on of their biggest flaws, with the information from humans they gather when the person is turned into a borg help them understand you dont just let people transport to your ship and let them do whatever. Anyway the borg after Enterprise returned the Borg who they found pretty much returned them back to what they were in the first place humans/individuals pretty much, sad thing is in one episode Data's brother had become leader of the Borg :/ , I cant stand Data's brother.
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Post by 0 of 0 on Dec 3, 2006 10:50:28 GMT -5
Lore was more like a prototype of data.
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Post by Tobbles on Jan 17, 2007 15:44:02 GMT -5
Perhaps letting intruders aboard their ships is part of their tactics. If The Borg started attacking beings then they wouldn't board their ships. But if they were allowed freely to roam they can learn data about them and their nearby ships. Even if significant damage is done the Borg have a good ability to regenerate.
Thats maybe one explanation. I have often wondered this becuase the drones must be aware of beings when they walk past them.
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Jan 23, 2007 7:39:24 GMT -5
I have to agree with Kamel, I think it is over confidence for the most part. The Borg do not truly believe that anyone can hurt them, especially not a handful of people inside the ship itself. Until those people act like a threat the Borg pretty juch treat dealing with them as a waste of resources. Once you become a threat though they do react pretty quickly, look at Generations and how quickly the Borg started attacking Picard and the rest once they started going after the Borg.
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Post by Tobbles on Jan 23, 2007 12:50:27 GMT -5
I have to agree with Kamel, I think it is over confidence for the most part. The Borg do not truly believe that anyone can hurt them, especially not a handful of people inside the ship itself. Until those people act like a threat the Borg pretty juch treat dealing with them as a waste of resources. Once you become a threat though they do react pretty quickly, look at Generations and how quickly the Borg started attacking Picard and the rest once they started going after the Borg. It wasn't Generations, it was First Contact. Yeah once Picard and the others attempted to open the doors The Borg showed whos boss.
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Jan 25, 2007 12:35:14 GMT -5
LOL...yea, First Contact, I was thinking about Generations for some reason while I was typing
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Post by 0 of 0 on Mar 15, 2007 23:24:10 GMT -5
Not only is this matter a possible flaw; what about borg shields? I've tried to bring this topic up in some other threads. This is how it is; Do borg actually have any shields? Ex. FC when the federation fleet is attacking the borg cube the torpedoes, and phaser fire all hit directly upon the hull. Also in the game "Star Trek Legacy", when you play as the borg the shielding power is non-existent... So when I was playing the damage would go directly to the hull instead of being taken by the shields. Next example when the Enterprise D confronts the cube. The spread of torpedoes hits the hull. The regeneration on the surface suggests that the torpedo hit the hull head on.
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Post by Tobbles on Mar 16, 2007 9:57:13 GMT -5
Not only is this matter a possible flaw; what about borg shields? I've tried to bring this topic up in some other threads. This is how it is; Do borg actually have any shields? Ex. FC when the federation fleet is attacking the borg cube the torpedoes, and phaser fire all hit directly upon the hull. Also in the game "Star Trek Legacy", when you play as the borg the shielding power is non-existent... So when I was playing the damage would go directly to the hull instead of being taken by the shields. Next example when the Enterprise D confronts the cube. The spread of torpedoes hits the hull. The regeneration on the surface suggests that the torpedo hit the hull head on. I would imagine that Borg do have shields. Whatever Borg have done in The Next Generation I tend to ignore it. First Contact onwards I pay attention to the Borg as they are much different from the TNG series. I'm sure in Voyager it shows Borg ships having sheilds when Voyager is attacking them.
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