ConqueringWolf
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Post by ConqueringWolf on May 2, 2004 17:26:25 GMT -5
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Post by valderra on May 3, 2004 14:03:33 GMT -5
Well... what with the greenhouse effect and all, it´s pretty well known that the polar caps are melting and the water level rises everywhere. Won´t be long and Britain will be just a memory called "the new Atlantis".
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Post by xkamelx on May 3, 2004 17:19:22 GMT -5
I honestly believe that part of this is the natural course of Earth, such as was the Ive Age(s). However, I do believe we as a species is speeding this up, quicker then it should.
I realized this was a problem, but I never imagined that it could have such drastic effects in as little as 50 years. I knew the ice caps were melting, but again, I never knew we were comming upon such change so fast.
I highley doubt we will change our habits, untill it is too late, then civilization as we know it, will give way to a new one. It's almost needed to fix 'our ways'.
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Post by voyager on May 3, 2004 18:01:57 GMT -5
I don't buy it at all.
I saw a report that stated x amount of species will be wiped out in the next 50 years, yet they will not say what those species are. If they know they will be gone, why not say so? Because they do not know.
The Earth has gone through these changes before. Before the last ice age, it was shown that the Earth went through a warming spell as well, then it suddenly cooled when a hiccup occured. These hiccups occur every few million years.
As far as ice melting, yes it will raise the waters of the ocean, but again I do not think it will raise them like they claim either. Why? I live 4 miles from Lake Michigan. Last year they claimed that the lake was almost to its lowest level ever recorded, yet this year, thanks to a wetter than normal winter, the water levels have risen to normal levels again. I don't buy it, because for the previous 5 years(prior to last winter 2003-4) it was drier than normal and the lake continied to fall. Yet only 1 inch wetter than normal of precipitation caused the lake to suddenly go back to the levels from 5 years ago, even though in those 5 years this area had a few wetter than normal months and the lake continued to fall?
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Post by ConqueringWolf on May 3, 2004 20:39:47 GMT -5
I believe it.....I have read quite a few reports over the past couple years about this kind of stuff happening and most of the reports agree with each other. also you have that new sci fi movie coming out addressing this fact to...albeit a doomsday movie but i don;t think it's far from the truth.....the earth is dur for some cataclysmic changes...no reason to think it cant be now...for all we know the supervolcano under yellowstone could blow up tomorrow and take the western US with it...we just dont know...the earth rules us all...and it likes to remind us ocassionally..lol
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Post by xkamelx on May 3, 2004 21:18:25 GMT -5
Which new Sci-Fi movie? And yes the Earth does rule us all, that's why we need to advance our space program.
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Post by voyager on May 3, 2004 21:20:41 GMT -5
Dont get me wrong, it is a problem, but I do not think that its as bad as they keep saying either though
Keep in mind, the deep freeze the Eastern US had was global warming, the heat wave last year was global warming.
You all know US history correct? Keep this little fact in mind. The famous pictures of George Washington camping out at Valley Forge during the reviolutionary war, was an extreme winter, yet the very next year, there was 70 degree weather.
Is that due to global warming as well?
How about the massive drought that affected 3/4 of the planet 1000 years ago(evidenced by tree rings from throughout the world that were around back then), was that global warming as well?
The Earth throughout history has had these types of weather anomalies.
El Nino and El Nina are two normally occuring phenomenon that are just now starting to be understood. 20 years ago it occured every 7 years, then with more studies they realized it has occured way more than previously thought as well.
I just dig through some old news clippings I pasted into a clipbook when I was 7 years old tonight(I'm 29 BTW) and guess what I found. an article stating that the midwest would be a desert by 2005. Last time I checked, there isn't a desert in the midwest yet.
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Post by Speed on May 3, 2004 21:29:35 GMT -5
I think the movie is called "The Day After Tomorrow."
As for Florida being underwater.....well, at least no one will be living there when the Xindi Weapon destroys it!!
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Post by ConqueringWolf on May 3, 2004 22:25:04 GMT -5
well......the only proof I need is a picture I saw a couple weeks ago where a big chunk of an icewall fell off an iceberg into the ocean....and this chunk was like huge...like miles huge or so....greenland is melting as we speak and they say it could all be melted in 50-100 years or so....thats scary enough for me...
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Post by voyager on May 3, 2004 22:48:01 GMT -5
If Greenland were to completely melt Florida would not be the only place to have problems. The great lakes would expand as would the ocean's limits.
But unlike what most Sci-Fi disaster movies claim, there is not enough water in the ice caps to make the former WTC be completely submerged.
Its a problem, but on this planet, its never a problem until its to late.
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Post by ConqueringWolf on May 3, 2004 23:01:06 GMT -5
well...they have already said anything on the oceans coast would be under water....its just that florida is our biggest danger in the states it seems....hell...right now I live on Long Island in NY...i am just glad its not going to happen in the next few years....the island would be getting considerably smaller...lol
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Post by voyager on May 4, 2004 6:46:49 GMT -5
They seem to forget Louisiana. Keep in mind New Orleans is already below sea level as it is. Any state that has coastline along the great lakes be affected as well. Florida is no big deal to me, as thats just old people country.
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Post by valderra on May 4, 2004 8:56:13 GMT -5
I think the movie is called "The Day After Tomorrow." Yep... that movie is coming out here very soon - 28. May, I think. ;D And we all know that the water levels have already risen and continue to do so but how long it takes... who can really say. In the end, everything is a prediction - an estimation - going by what is happening right now. But you have to admit that Earth has taken quite a beating just about everywhere. The air is so polluted, you can´t even open your mouth and let the rain fall in. The sea is polluted, many fish are starting to be unedible. Oxygen level will decrease drastically and carbon monoxyde is rising in the air - thanks to chopping down Earth´s green lung - the rain forest. The winters are getting warmer - the summers are getting cooler. Hellooooo.... do we really need more evidence BEFORE we say: STOP! and do something about it? I know this has nothing to do with this subject but it is related - sort of.
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Post by ConqueringWolf on May 4, 2004 10:47:18 GMT -5
thats kinda what the movie will be about...dennis quaid tries to warn everyone....and they don't listen..until it's too late...
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Post by xkamelx on May 4, 2004 12:23:21 GMT -5
I don't understand why New Orleans isnt under water right now, or why they built the city there. I've been to New Orleans, and outside the city in the marshlands right by the coast. The Gulf looked like any other sea/ocean, on any other coast line I've been to, and I didnt notice and significant inscrease of land, or a hill sperating the water and the city.
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