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Post by ZERO on Apr 16, 2004 19:51:39 GMT -5
I say YES. If you look at the last 3, and then the first 3, you'll notice that even though the first 3 are set in the past, they seem more futuristic. WTF!? Also, the new ones are trying FAR TOO HARD to be modern-day cool-style. It's like the James Bond movies. If you notice, nowadays Bond just uses his frikkin' gadgets and he's outa there. In the old ones he had to think of a way out. Well, I guess that's idiocy in the movie making.
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 16, 2004 22:53:58 GMT -5
I think the reason why the new ones seem more futuristic is simply because of technology. It's the same phylosophy as Star Trek The Original Series, and Star Trek Enterprpise. Enterprise is supposed to be 100 years before Captain Kirk and crew, but looks like it should have been 100 years after it. With the advances in film technology, and technology in general, we as people expect the future to be more 'techy' then it is now, thus if we relied on old technology, or white boxes surrounding the ships in space, ala Star Wars A New hope, then fans are likley gonnab e alienated and turned away.
Another thing to be said about the style of the space ships in the new movies. .. .think of this. We are watching a time when peace has been commen place for a long time, a time when the Republic was in it's prime (or soon after) one would think the economy would be striving in this era, thus the nicer design of ships. Fast fowrard to when the Empire isi n control, all of thier ships are military ships, bot trying to be 'stylish', and the rebels have thier own military ships. The rebellion would not have the means of a vast majority of ships as people had when the Old Republic was in power.
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Post by Speed on Apr 20, 2004 0:43:47 GMT -5
I agree with Myke on this one. Episodes 4-6 take place in a time when the galaxy has been ravaged by war. The Empire has taken control of most everything and I'm sure that most people put up a fight, hence the beaten down condition of just about everything the rebels have, including their technology.
Episodes 1-3 take place before the wars and during the wars. Hopefully in Episode 3 we will see some of the deterioration of the condition of various things, while the Old Republic AKA the Empire, continues to thrive.
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Post by valderra on Apr 20, 2004 3:06:40 GMT -5
I say YES. If you look at the last 3, and then the first 3, you'll notice that even though the first 3 are set in the past, they seem more futuristic. WTF!? Also, the new ones are trying FAR TOO HARD to be modern-day cool-style. It's like the James Bond movies. If you notice, nowadays Bond just uses his frikkin' gadgets and he's outa there. In the old ones he had to think of a way out. Well, I guess that's idiocy in the movie making. Yeaaaahhhh..... someone who thinks like me. LOL Well, I am a BIIIIIIG fan of the Star Wars Trilogy and have the vids and must have watched them a thousand times. It´s one of those movies where I know almost word for word what the characters are going to say BEFORE they are say it. LOL When I heard that they were making another trilogy, set at an earlier time, I wasn´t convinced that it would work and from what I have seen - I only watched the first 2 films - its booooooring. I find it a shame that they spoil the memory of one of the best ever outer space sci-fi films by doing this crappy trilogy. Apart from anything else, the acting was really awful - even Liam Neeson couldn´t hold his own. And in order to keep it short and not get into a ranting session I just want to say that .... ooops... forgot now. LOL True... it worked with ST and I preferred TNG to the original one but that is entirely different. ST TNG was not only better because of the technology they now had but because it was much more entertaining. And that´s what is important, that the films are entertaining. Whereas the original trilogy was huuuuugely entertaining and very funny - Han Solo at his best - the new trilogy is a boooooore.... and as I said, the acting is crap and quite frankly... would a almost grown-up princess really fall for a boy who seemed to have just left Kindergarden?
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Apr 20, 2004 8:58:40 GMT -5
Thats been my biggest gripe with the new movies. you give less than a rat's proverbial azz about the characters. You felt for luke, and han , and leia...and even the droids.....with these characters there is no attachment whatsoever. it's like the people are there just to interact with his new special effects. there is no focus on people or drama or anything like that....it's all shoot em up bang bang and let's see how cool i can make my aliens look.
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Post by valderra on Apr 20, 2004 11:12:49 GMT -5
Thats been my biggest gripe with the new movies. you give less than a rat's proverbial azz about the characters. You felt for luke, and han , and leia...and even the droids.....with these characters there is no attachment whatsoever. it's like the people are there just to interact with his new special effects. there is no focus on people or drama or anything like that....it's all shoot em up bang bang and let's see how cool i can make my aliens look. And there I was... ready to get my sword out and convince you otherwise. But I see that I don´t have to. LOL ;D
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Post by Speed on Apr 21, 2004 4:01:27 GMT -5
In addition to my previous post, I do think you're right regarding Lucas's current take on the films. He's trying too hard. He's overcompensating. I think he's trying to make movies for HIS kids and his kids alone. Hell.....from what I heard, Lucas's kids came up with the names for half the characters in the new trilogy anyways. I have too much rspect for the original trilogy to ever pledge alliegance to the new one....but story-wise, I do understand where it comes from. As long as Lucas continues to taint it with his own personal agenda instead of the feelings of the fans, the new trilogy will never live up to the old one. Even if part 3 has everything we all want, and we get to see Vader and the "fight" between Obi and Ani, and all the rest of it. George needs to start "Keeping It Real" in terms of getting out of hand with the story.
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 21, 2004 6:50:02 GMT -5
I'll admit, Phantom Menace could have been more then what it was, but I was so excited to see the retuen of Star Wars, that I didnt even think like that intially. One thing I did like about it, that alot of others didnt, was that it was basically a political movie. They showed alot of politics concerning the Old Republic, which I enjoyed. It made it seem more realistic, and gave of a good foundation to things that were to come. As far as Jar Jar Binks, don't get me started on him. I thought Attack of the Clones was much better. It had more of a dark note, like 'Empire'. I also thought the scenes with Hayden Christinsen were great, ecspecially after he had slaughtered the Tuskin Raiders, and was talking to Padme. The Imperial March music in the background was a perfect touch. He start to see the emotional unbalance that eventually gives birth to Darth Vader. The ending to the film was great too, with the army of stormtroopers, Star Destroyers, and more of the Vader music. I have such high expectations for Episdoe III. I am really hopeing that it blows all the other 5 movies away. However, I dont see how it can cover everything in 2 hours. The movie needs to at least be 3 or 4 hours long, like Return of the King. ~Myke
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Apr 21, 2004 7:52:13 GMT -5
i agree about it needing to be at least 3 hours long....u will need to see why vader turns evil....how palpatine creates the empire finally....the fight between obi wan and anakin....the birth of the twins....padame eventually going into hiding with leia....see luke being given away....probably need to see vader in his black suit for the first time ever and him teaming up with the emperor....all of that....a ton of storyline to cover all in one episode...
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 21, 2004 8:05:31 GMT -5
Yes, I agree sooooo much. There is a ton of events that need to take place. I feel Lucas needs to act as if Episode IV hasent been made yet, in the sence that Episode III needs to end as if it was setting up for Episode IV. With so many great movies and shows, we are left filling in missing pieces with our imagination. They need to leave nothing to the imagination with Episdoe III. If will be sorley disappointed if they do, and yes hopefully it will be at least 3 hours long. I doubt there is a single Star Wars fan who will compain if it goes that long, in fact a 3 or 4 hour movie will be a nice closure to a great epic, and an epic is exactly what the Star Wars movies are.
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Apr 21, 2004 8:25:45 GMT -5
well..it won;t technically be a closure I think...because lucas is supposedly making 2 more sequel episodes after this.....eppies 7 & 8 dealing with post Reurn of the jedi issues....
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 21, 2004 8:45:08 GMT -5
I have heard both that he is going to make those, and that he isnt going to make those. I think there will be alot of people who wont want to see those, to make it a perfect pair of triliogies, much like there are those who dont want a Terminator 4, but I disagree. I've read a few books dealing with the events after 'Jedi' from the birth and actions of Anikin Solo, to the return of Palpatine and the new Empire, to Chewbacca's death. I'd love to see the movies of the after events. I think the original cast could be brought back too. Sure they have aged, but that would fit in perfectly with the storyline. I am unsure if Harrison Ford would come back, but i'm sure Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill wiould, I dont see them doing to much of anything else.
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Apr 21, 2004 9:14:11 GMT -5
I think harrison ford would....after all....he is doing another indiana jones movie...lol but by the time lucas starts these new movies some of the originals could be dead....
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Post by Red Spider on Apr 24, 2004 2:13:28 GMT -5
hmm, Some interesting points being raised. I think the new one's are Ok. I own the Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition and they are pretty good for their time. I hope to see all the original cast be integrated into the new one's some how. it'll be interesting to see how (or if ) they do this
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Post by ZERO on Apr 25, 2004 2:49:12 GMT -5
The one thing that's annoying me most is the lightsaber sounds. They just SUCK now, they're trying to hard to be super "cool"
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