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Post by FantasyLover on May 27, 2005 15:28:46 GMT -5
There are spoilers below:
If you think logically, Anaking fulfilled the prophecy in Revenge of the Sith by balancing the force. Afterall, he killed all but two jedi leaving the number of Sith and jedi at the same number. Therefore, mission accomplished. He did nothing he wasn't expected to do.
Yet the "wise" jedi didn't see it this way. They didn't consider that you have to have equal numbers in order to have balance. Instead, they obviously thought that 100% good and 0% evil is balance. This is probably because they felt that the light side was the balance and the dark side were the disruptors.
Which point of view are you going with?
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Post by pure on May 27, 2005 23:31:02 GMT -5
I think that Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. You are absolutely right. Yoda's vision was, indeed clouded...
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Post by theartak on May 29, 2005 13:10:36 GMT -5
Well, either camp is right, really, depending on how you look at it. Because Anakin was responsible for eliminating the Sith as well, in the end. Note that it was he who killed the emperor, and in the end himself.
To me, that viewpoint almost simplifies it too much. Yeah, they were balanced in number, but I think by "balance" it means more of a setting right. In Attack of the Clones, Yoda and Mace speak of how both sides were clouded in their perceptions. Perhaps the only way those perceptions could be completely restored right was to have both sides completely cleaned, which Anakin also does, first with the Jedi, then with the Sith in the end.
Just another thought on that.
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Post by voyager on May 29, 2005 14:16:43 GMT -5
I tend to think the Force is more unbalanced then ever after Jedi because there is not a dark side of the force present anymore(excluding the books of course).
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Post by xkamelx on May 29, 2005 16:13:58 GMT -5
I would agree that Anakin fufilled his prophecy, from a certain point of view (as Obi-Wan would say).
Ar'Tak and FL are both right. Anakin brought balance to the force in Episode III by leaving two on each side
Jedi - Obi-Wan, Yoda
Sith - Darth Sidious, Darth Vader
And I guess one could say he restored balance in Episode VI when he killed Sidious and he died, leaving only one Jedi, the pure side of the Force.
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Post by voyager on May 29, 2005 17:13:42 GMT -5
But who is to say the pure side is the correct side though?
And to have balance, you need to have both sides equalized.
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Post by xkamelx on May 29, 2005 17:23:52 GMT -5
Palpatine himself says the Dark Side of the Force leads to abilities many consider to be "unnatural".
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Post by voyager on May 29, 2005 18:35:43 GMT -5
But who is to say that those powers are "unnatural"
Just because some people may say its unnatural, there are others who say they are natural.
Just like real life as well.
What may be natural to you and I, may be unnatural to Wolf and Valderra.
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Post by theartak on May 29, 2005 18:44:17 GMT -5
Well, if you include the books, just as Anakin does not wipe out the Jedi, he does not wipe out the Sith. He allows both to start over at their origins, really. Would you not consider that balanced?
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Post by Ðreamreaver on May 29, 2005 19:00:34 GMT -5
Also we should keep in mind that bringing "balance to the force" was a loose interpretation of the prophecy in the prequels and as Yoda himself stated in Episode III "misinterpreted the prophecy could have been." The prophecy was elaborated upon more in Episode III when Mace specifies that the chosen one would destroy the sith. Perhaps in the jedi interpretation this meant "bringing balance to the force." I tend to agree with Ar'tak that the prophecy was fulfilled and Anakin was the chosen one meant to destroy the sith as he does so in RotJ when he destroys Palpatine and restores his status as a jedi knight.
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Post by voyager on May 29, 2005 19:18:53 GMT -5
I tend to avoid the books in interpretations of the movies, because not everyone has read every single star wars book.
Artak may be correct, but so could I as well. It really depends on if/when it ever gets explained by Lucas really.
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Post by xkamelx on May 29, 2005 19:27:28 GMT -5
Also we should keep in mind that bringing "balance to the force" was a loose interpretation of the prophecy in the prequels and as Yoda himself stated in Episode III "misinterpreted the prophecy could have been." The prophecy was elaborated upon more in Episode III when Mace specifies that the chosen one would destroy the sith. Perhaps in the jedi interpretation this meant "bringing balance to the force." I tend to agree with Ar'tak that the prophecy was fulfilled and Anakin was the chosen one meant to destroy the sith as he does so in RotJ when he destroys Palpatine and restores his status as a jedi knight. That does make sense. Moviewise, Palpatine died in RotJ. That's one hell of a price for the Jedi to pay though, close to extenction.
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Post by Ðreamreaver on May 29, 2005 19:30:33 GMT -5
Also we should keep in mind that bringing "balance to the force" was a loose interpretation of the prophecy in the prequels and as Yoda himself stated in Episode III "misinterpreted the prophecy could have been." The prophecy was elaborated upon more in Episode III when Mace specifies that the chosen one would destroy the sith. Perhaps in the jedi interpretation this meant "bringing balance to the force." I tend to agree with Ar'tak that the prophecy was fulfilled and Anakin was the chosen one meant to destroy the sith as he does so in RotJ when he destroys Palpatine and restores his status as a jedi knight. That does make sense. Moviewise, Palpatine died in RotJ. That's one hell of a price for the Jedi to pay though, close to extenction. Yes indeed it is but in a battle of epic proportions like this it would make sense to have such a large loss of life. That's just my thoughts on it really. It's really a simple guess and I could be wrong completely lol. It did pique my interest when Mace specifically stated that the chosen one was prophecized to be the one that destroyed the sith. In the good guys eyes that would be bringing balance to the force by eliminating the conflict surrounding it.
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Post by Mutantlavalamp on May 30, 2005 15:38:05 GMT -5
Also we should keep in mind that bringing "balance to the force" was a loose interpretation of the prophecy in the prequels and as Yoda himself stated in Episode III "misinterpreted the prophecy could have been." The prophecy was elaborated upon more in Episode III when Mace specifies that the chosen one would destroy the sith. Perhaps in the jedi interpretation this meant "bringing balance to the force." I tend to agree with Ar'tak that the prophecy was fulfilled and Anakin was the chosen one meant to destroy the sith as he does so in RotJ when he destroys Palpatine and restores his status as a jedi knight. That particular quote is my custom title But yes, I believe it was misinterpreted. The balance to the force was not the destruction of the sith, but to bring the numbers down to 2 on each side.
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Post by Ðreamreaver on May 30, 2005 15:47:29 GMT -5
It could have been the 2 on each side thing but I don't believe that was the prophecy. As I said, the prophecy wasn't very clear until Episode III in which they specifically state that the chosen one would destroy the sith. Anakin does this, as I said, in RotJ which finalizes the series and the prophecy. I don't think it had anything to do with 2 on each side.
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