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Post by voyager on May 30, 2005 16:38:56 GMT -5
But the thing is, if you place one 1 lb weight on one side of a balance scale, and another 1 lb weight on the other side, the scale will be in the neutral position. Remove one weight from either side, and the scale tips to the side that has more weight and becomes unbalanced.
After Jedi, I do not think the force is evenly balanced, because there is not anyone from the other side represented.
I also tend to think that some of the wording that Lucas came up with was not thought out enough either prior to him starting to film the movies either.
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Post by xkamelx on May 30, 2005 16:51:47 GMT -5
Ok, what about this - "There can only be two" in reference to the Sith. A master, and an apprentice.
Is this the way of the Sith? There has never been more sith at one time then 2? Was Count Dooku not a sith when Darth Maul was Palpatine's apprentice?
I just never thought that was explained enough. It seems to have been invented so they could ask which was the master, and which was the apprentice about Maul when the camera shot over to Palpatine in Episode I.
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Post by voyager on May 30, 2005 16:55:13 GMT -5
But Palpatine was a Sith in Ep Im sothere were 3 Sith in Ep I at one time
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Post by xkamelx on May 30, 2005 16:59:40 GMT -5
I believe Palpatine was a Sith lord long before Episode I, and he definatly was a Sith in Episode I, as we saw him as Darth sidious giving orders to Darth Maul.
I can't recall any other Sith onscreen in Episode I though.
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Post by voyager on May 30, 2005 17:03:14 GMT -5
If Dooku was a sith, he was there along with Maul in Ep I.
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Post by Mutantlavalamp on May 30, 2005 17:14:29 GMT -5
Anakin does indeed completely fulfill the prophecy- He balanced the sides of the force, and he destroyed the sith. He threw Sidious into that pit, and then he removed his mask and died.
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Post by Ðreamreaver on May 30, 2005 17:30:27 GMT -5
Well we must remember several key points. There is a 10 year gap between TPM and AotC. Maul dies in TPM which leaves 10 years for Palpatine to find an apprentice. Dooku was a perfect fit because he required no real training in the jedi arts...just learning to focus his dark side powers.
Also something that should be considered with the two on each side thing, at the end of RotS, there are more jedi still alive besided Obi-wan and Yoda. Remember in the temple, the clones had sent a message telling all jedi to return to Coruscant as the war was over. That was a trap. Obi-wan and Yoda changed the encrypted code to let the jedi know what had really happened and to let them know to stay away from Coruscant. lol The point is there were more than just two jedi left alive which is one reason I don't buy the two on each side theory.
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Post by theartak on May 30, 2005 17:49:47 GMT -5
Well, the thing is about that message DR is that we don't know if anyone received it. Other Jedi could have stayed away, or there might not have been any other Jedi to hear it.
As for Dooku, we don't know exactly when he became a Sith, or when he left the Jedi order. The Databank says he voluntarily renounced his Jedi Knighthood and disappeared for "many years." One can assume he was probably in that "disappeared" stage of his career during Episode I, but we're not sure.
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Post by Mutantlavalamp on May 30, 2005 18:46:50 GMT -5
They did that in case any jedi's survived. However, there were no Jedi's besides Luke, Obi-Wan, and Yoda in any of the following movies.
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Post by xkamelx on May 30, 2005 19:38:26 GMT -5
Well we must remember several key points. There is a 10 year gap between TPM and AotC. Maul dies in TPM which leaves 10 years for Palpatine to find an apprentice. Dooku was a perfect fit because he required no real training in the jedi arts...just learning to focus his dark side powers. Also something that should be considered with the two on each side thing, at the end of RotS, there are more jedi still alive besided Obi-wan and Yoda. Remember in the temple, the clones had sent a message telling all jedi to return to Coruscant as the war was over. That was a trap. Obi-wan and Yoda changed the encrypted code to let the jedi know what had really happened and to let them know to stay away from Coruscant. lol The point is there were more than just two jedi left alive which is one reason I don't buy the two on each side theory. But remember in Episode IV, Obi-Wan tells Luke that Darth Vader hunted down and killed all of the Jedi. In Episode III, Vader goes to the Jedi Temple and killed everyone with the help of the Clone Troopers. He didn't necessarily hunt any Jedi down. Obi-Wan and Yoda set the signal to warn all other Jedi away. This leads me to believe that during the years between Sith and A New Hope, Darth Vader continued his quest of killing all of the Jedi.
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Post by Ðreamreaver on May 31, 2005 8:09:52 GMT -5
Myke you are 100% correct! There were still jedi out there otherwise the message from the clones would have never been sent. Vader hunted down and killed the jedi that remained in the time between Episode III and Episode IV. Keep in mind that Lucas is contemplating a SW TV series set between RotS and ANH which will probably cover the jedi's attempt at survival. The only jedi we see at the end of RotS are Obi-Wan and Yoda but there are still some out there alive at the end of the film.
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