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Post by theartak on Jun 17, 2005 1:56:50 GMT -5
I'm bored, and this question just popped to mind. Don't look at me like that...they said I was allowed to have a computer with internet access if I stayed in my padded cell. So, here's the question, and I know we're never going to really know why, but it's just interesting to think about. Why didn't Obi-wan kill Anakin after the fight in the lava pit? Seems like a reversal of the classic thing about the bad guy leaving the good guy to die to me...all it would have taken was one quick flick of the wrist with that saber...charred head detached from charred body... Even seems more humane than leaving the guy that you trained and claimed to care about so much to die a painful and slow death being slowly melted into so much rock... And Myke, before you can bring out your "it would be against the Jedi Code" bit, I want you to really think about that...he's clearly gone sith, and they just fought. You didn't see the Jedi in other battles going around leaving everyone crippled...and if that was the case, at least move the guy away from the lava? Hmm? Talk amongst yourselves...
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Post by FantasyLover on Jun 17, 2005 2:12:14 GMT -5
1) It IS the jedi code.
2) He probably thought he was going to die anyway.
3) He couldn't bring himself to kill Anakin because he still felt that bond.
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Post by OctoberFire on Jun 17, 2005 2:19:26 GMT -5
Thought-provoking questions are always the most fun to answer.
However I can't participate in this one seeing as how I haven't seen the final Star Wars movie yet.
<listens to all the gasps and groans> Yes I know <hangs head in shame> I am a terrible lover of Star Wars movies and I don't deserve to live.
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Post by theartak on Jun 17, 2005 2:21:03 GMT -5
The Jedi code would have dictated he move Anikin away from the fire...leaving a man to die like that is just as bad as killing him, if not worse...I don't buy that one.
Number 2 is reasonable-ish. If you include the fact that Padme was still on that collapsing tower and unconcious, I could almost buy it.
Number 3...so he leaves him to be consumed by lava instead? Eh...forgive me for being queasy with that one as well..."I won't kill you, because you're my brother. Saving you, however...eh, maybe later. Bye!"
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 17, 2005 4:05:50 GMT -5
I'm bored, and this question just popped to mind. Don't look at me like that...they said I was allowed to have a computer with internet access if I stayed in my padded cell. So, here's the question, and I know we're never going to really know why, but it's just interesting to think about. Why didn't Obi-wan kill Anakin after the fight in the lava pit? Seems like a reversal of the classic thing about the bad guy leaving the good guy to die to me...all it would have taken was one quick flick of the wrist with that saber...charred head detached from charred body... Even seems more humane than leaving the guy that you trained and claimed to care about so much to die a painful and slow death being slowly melted into so much rock... And Myke, before you can bring out your "it would be against the Jedi Code" bit, I want you to really think about that...he's clearly gone sith, and they just fought. You didn't see the Jedi in other battles going around leaving everyone crippled...and if that was the case, at least move the guy away from the lava? Hmm? Talk amongst yourselves... LOL, As I was reading your question, the Jedi Code never popped into my head. I kind of agree with FantasyLover. I do think Obi-Wan thought he was going to die anyway, however, at the same time I think he was beyond caring whether or not Anakin suffered any more. Anakin has done so much evil, all but destroyed the Jedi, killed the children, ect. I think Obi-Wan basically thought: "he's going to die anyways, to hell with him, let him suffer". It may not have been the Jedi thing to do, but this battle, unlike any other for Obi-Wan, was personal, and his feelings were submerged deep within it. In retrospect, it was a mistake on behalf of Obi-Wan to leave Anakin there. He should have finished him off when he had the chance. Of course, everything worked out alright, and it took Luke knowing Vader was his father, and knowing the path Vader took to refuse to go to the Dark Side, but still yet, at that point in time Obi-Wan should have killed him.
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Post by The Jedi Princess on Jun 17, 2005 7:30:47 GMT -5
*jumps up and down* Oo! Pick me I know! *settles down once she has everyone's attention* It's called reading the book. If you read the book, you'll find that Obi-Wan was thinking about how it would be merciful to kill Anakin. And he was not feeling merciful. He also realized that going town to kill Anakin would most likely get himself killed, not something he wanted to do anytime soon. Another thought also occured that since there was a shuttle flying over head, that he better scram before it touched down since Yoda had failed. without a doubt, he wouldn't be able to take Sidious down. One last thing included in that tid bit, the would leave the survival of Anakin Akywalker to the will of the Force.
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 18, 2005 13:15:05 GMT -5
*jumps up and down* Oo! Pick me I know! *settles down once she has everyone's attention* It's called reading the book. If you read the book, you'll find that Obi-Wan was thinking about how it would be merciful to kill Anakin. And he was not feeling merciful. He also realized that going town to kill Anakin would most likely get himself killed, not something he wanted to do anytime soon. Another thought also occured that since there was a shuttle flying over head, that he better scram before it touched down since Yoda had failed. without a doubt, he wouldn't be able to take Sidious down. One last thing included in that tid bit, the would leave the survival of Anakin Akywalker to the will of the Force. Excellent. I probably would have never known exactly what was going on in Obi-Wan's mind otherwise. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by The Jedi Princess on Jun 19, 2005 2:42:59 GMT -5
*beams with pride* My pleasure to be of service.
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Post by theartak on Jun 19, 2005 12:27:37 GMT -5
Sounds interesting. I don't know how he could have been aware of Yoda's failure, and the timing of Palpatine arriving so fast seems odd if the planet was on the Outer Rim, and we see he feels Vader is in trouble on Coruscant. But, it does make more sense than anything else. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by voyager on Jun 19, 2005 12:39:04 GMT -5
Thats one of the things that never made sense to me, but then again, alot of the stuff Lucas did in the prequals makes no sense.
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Post by The Jedi Princess on Jun 20, 2005 1:22:51 GMT -5
Sounds interesting. I don't know how he could have been aware of Yoda's failure, and the timing of Palpatine arriving so fast seems odd if the planet was on the Outer Rim, and we see he feels Vader is in trouble on Coruscant. But, it does make more sense than anything else. Thanks for sharing. Palpatine's arrival beats me too. It is logical that he would know of Yoda's failure. They did discuss them having more success if they were to face one Sith at a time. Not only that, but as the shuttle flew overhead, he could sense the dark presence within.
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 21, 2005 22:53:58 GMT -5
Perhaps the Palpatine vs Yoda duel, and the Anakin vs Obi-Wan duel did not take place at the exact same time as the movie makes it out to be?
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Post by The Jedi Princess on Jun 23, 2005 1:26:46 GMT -5
That would happen often. Most likely Yoda would go straight to Palpatine and Obi- had to take a detour to Padme's then wait for her to decide to leave. Then there's the time it takes for Obi to travel with Padme to Anakin at which point the duel between Yoda and Palpatine is under way. Then Palpatine senses Annie in danger just as Annie and Obi start to fight. *scratches her head* That might be it. I'll have to reread the book I guess...though that may be of no assistance.
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Post by zapphnath on Jul 28, 2005 21:35:10 GMT -5
Me - I just figured the ground was too hot and he didn't want to be known as "Obiwan No-toes-bi"
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Post by theartak on Aug 1, 2005 23:19:04 GMT -5
That would happen often. Most likely Yoda would go straight to Palpatine and Obi- had to take a detour to Padme's then wait for her to decide to leave. That sounds very likely. This on the other hand, doesn't...you're talking a journey time of several days from the fringe of the Core where Coruscant is located to the Outer Rim, where...gah, the name escapes me...the planet where the Anakin/Obi-wan duel took place, even via hyperspace. I'm sure I read somewhere it takes three weeks by hyperspace to traverse the galaxy, roughly, and you're talking about going at least a third of that distance if not more. I highly doubt the Yoda/Palpatine duel went on that long. In order for Palpatine to have gotten there so quickly after the fight, he had to sense it days before the event happened. Which, I suppose, is not an abstract possibility, but that raises other questions in relation to sensitivity to the Force and timeline questions... I think I've just unintentionally opened a can of worms that labels me as "one who thinks too much about these stupid things."
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