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Post by xkamelx on May 30, 2005 17:03:48 GMT -5
"Darth Palgous was a powerful lord of the Sith, so dark and so wise, he could use the Force to influence midichloreons (sp) to create life"
"Unfortunatly, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep"
~Emperor Palpatine - Episode III
So, anyone else besides me think Palpatine was in fact the apprentice who killed his master when telling this story to Anakin?
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Post by Mutantlavalamp on May 30, 2005 17:11:36 GMT -5
Yup Course he is. ;D
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Post by xkamelx on May 30, 2005 17:14:17 GMT -5
Yup Course he is. ;D I love it, it just makes him seem so much more evil, killing his master in his sleep.
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Post by Ðreamreaver on May 30, 2005 17:34:47 GMT -5
Yes I thought that was pretty much a given wasn't it? The fact that Sidious is the one that killed his master in his sleep. That is the sith way really...which is why Palpatine was always adamant about his apprentices killing each other (Anakin killing Dooku and the fact that he wanted Luke to kill Vader to take his place). The sith way is for the apprentice to kill the master and take his place but Palpatine never wanted to lose his power.
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Post by FantasyLover on May 30, 2005 17:39:54 GMT -5
And as always, the way McDiarmid acted out that line made it all so much more evil. An excellent performance.
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Post by theartak on May 30, 2005 17:40:13 GMT -5
I got that impression right away. Especially when he later mentions something about being able to save Padme indirectly.
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Post by Chris3123 on May 31, 2005 21:09:36 GMT -5
At the time, no. But after seeing folks all over the net mentioning it, it does make a lot of sense.
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Post by Ðreamreaver on May 31, 2005 21:11:42 GMT -5
At the time, no. But after seeing folks all over the net mentioning it, it does make a lot of sense. I think Lucas tried to make it obvious that it was Palpatine with the way he was telling the story. Of course he couldn't come out and say it right then and there because at that point in the film, Anakin didn't know that Palpatine was Sidious.
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Post by yitz on Jun 1, 2005 5:38:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure which part of the things Sidious says are subterfuge. If he _was_ the apprentice (which i assumed when i saw that part of the movie) why did he later tell annakin that they might be able to discover the technique together? The only answer i have is that he was lying to anakin to make anakin think he needed sidious for a long time because he greatly feared anakin.
BUT: then why didn't he use the technique to heal anakin when he nearly died --- Sidious was so concerned, but was unable to save anakin himself.
I think he either: 1. lied about being taught Palagius' skill. (but he was his apprentice) 2. was not his apprentice. 3. made the whole thing up to tempt anakin to the dark side. 4. (least likely) Palagius was real, the story was real, but sidious was not his apprentice, instead he was someone later in the line of sith.
take your pick.
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Post by Ðreamreaver on Jun 1, 2005 8:24:14 GMT -5
I'm not sure which part of the things Sidious says are subterfuge. If he _was_ the apprentice (which i assumed when i saw that part of the movie) why did he later tell annakin that they might be able to discover the technique together? The only answer i have is that he was lying to anakin to make anakin think he needed sidious for a long time because he greatly feared anakin. BUT: then why didn't he use the technique to heal anakin when he nearly died --- Sidious was so concerned, but was unable to save anakin himself. I think he either: 1. lied about being taught Palagius' skill. (but he was his apprentice) 2. was not his apprentice. 3. made the whole thing up to tempt anakin to the dark side. 4. (least likely) Palagius was real, the story was real, but sidious was not his apprentice, instead he was someone later in the line of sith. take your pick. I'm not quite understanding your reasoning. Palpatine did use the skills Palaguis taught him to keep Anakin alive when he incorporated the suit after Anakin was mangled on Mustafar.
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Post by theartak on Jun 1, 2005 12:11:36 GMT -5
Exactly. Clearly, if Anakin needed the suit to stay alive, something had to be keeping him alive between the trip from Mustafar back to Coruscant, which I highly doubt was a hop, skip and jump, if you know what I mean. I don't think it was just his will to live...
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 1, 2005 13:06:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure which part of the things Sidious says are subterfuge. If he _was_ the apprentice (which i assumed when i saw that part of the movie) why did he later tell annakin that they might be able to discover the technique together? The only answer i have is that he was lying to anakin to make anakin think he needed sidious for a long time because he greatly feared anakin. BUT: then why didn't he use the technique to heal anakin when he nearly died --- Sidious was so concerned, but was unable to save anakin himself. I think he either: 1. lied about being taught Palagius' skill. (but he was his apprentice) 2. was not his apprentice. 3. made the whole thing up to tempt anakin to the dark side. 4. (least likely) Palagius was real, the story was real, but sidious was not his apprentice, instead he was someone later in the line of sith. take your pick. I'm not quite understanding your reasoning. Palpatine did use the skills Palaguis taught him to keep Anakin alive when he incorporated the suit after Anakin was mangled on Mustafar. That's pretty much what I was thinking too. I also think Palpatine was stretching the truth a little bit when he said he could help Anakin save Padme, telling Anakin what Yoda did not, telling him what he wanted to hear. Remember, Palpatine did not care about Padme. He used her to become Chancellor and was done with her. When Darth Vader thought he had killed her, Palpatine was behind him smiling.
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Post by Ðreamreaver on Jun 1, 2005 13:09:16 GMT -5
Oh there is no question Palpatine was lying about saving Padme to lure Anakin to the dark side. He had no intention of ever saving her. But he did learn to manipulate life which is why Anakin was able to survive as Darth Vader when he should have been dead.
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 1, 2005 13:13:00 GMT -5
Oh there is no question Palpatine was lying about saving Padme to lure Anakin to the dark side. He had no intention of ever saving her. But he did learn to manipulate life which is why Anakin was able to survive as Darth Vader when he should have been dead. Agreed. BTW, welcome to Temporal Reality, yitz.
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Jun 1, 2005 17:30:26 GMT -5
Even if Vader had not killed Padame himself the emperor would have for sure.....he knew that her actually dying would push Anakin all the way over to the dark side and fuel his powers....Padame was of no use to him alive....she might have actually made Anakin see how evil he was...
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