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Post by xkamelx on Aug 14, 2004 7:16:00 GMT -5
A few facts: The first movie takes place in 1999 from the point of view of the people pluged in. We don't have a time frame for the second one, though it's at least 6 months after the first and most likely set in 2001 since Morpheus and crew drive a 2001 Caddy.
Morpheus says that they've been fighting the warr for 100 years and that that the previous One freed the first of them (which would actually have been Neo's predecessor choosing the new group of Zionese after the last reloading).
These events obviously took place long before Morpheus was born, and he's mostly relying on Zion history and what the Oracle says for his inaccurate version of history.
The Architect says that the Matrix was designed with the varying grotequeries of our history in mind and we see pictures at least as far back as WW2.
So what I'm getting at is, for those in the Matrix, does the world always appear to be around the turn of the century, or have they actually been reliving human history?
The pics of WW2 could be the "actual" WW2 that happened before the machines rose to power without ever having happened in the Matrix history?
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Post by Jewells on Aug 14, 2004 9:24:51 GMT -5
The Matrix is am illusion created by the use of advanced nural shunts/laces into a cyber-verse... It just keeps repeating the same reality, and the Machines would have access to ALL of human history in the data base before they ever turned bad, so it stands to reason that they had every chance to have pics from the worlds history.
I think they picked a prosperous 'time-period' that was low tech enough for them to keep the dominate hand and keep the society happy. Happy ' batteries' make GOOD Batteries.
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Post by xkamelx on Aug 14, 2004 13:03:08 GMT -5
What I'm asking though Jewells, since the Matrix has been recreated several times, and this very last version of the Matrix has lasted for 100 years according to Morphous and the Architect, did it start off way back when? Was there an actual WWII 'illusion' within the Matrix, or has the past 100 years been like 1999, with no major changes in 'thier' world?
They said they choose a society like that, which was ideal, which happened to be the end of the 20th century, so would they keep soceity like that for one hundred years, or would they start off in the old days, and progress like humans had?
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Post by Jewells on Aug 14, 2004 22:51:42 GMT -5
What I'm asking though Jewells, since the Matrix has been recreated several times, and this very last version of the Matrix has lasted for 100 years according to Morphous and the Architect, did it start off way back when? Was there an actual WWII 'illusion' within the Matrix, or has the past 100 years been like 1999, with no major changes in 'thier' world? They said they choose a society like that, which was ideal, which happened to be the end of the 20th century, so would they keep soceity like that for one hundred years, or would they start off in the old days, and progress like humans had? Ahh I see....ok..well in that case I would have to think on it some more..lol
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Post by ~ Bad Ash ~ on Aug 15, 2004 0:41:42 GMT -5
It would depend on how often the Matrix has been reloaded. I understand what your asking in your question there and I see it as another question. Working on the theory that Morpheus is around 35 there are older people than him in Zion who are the original inhabitants of the previous reload. I'd say it's possible the Matix runs from the early 1900's to where we see it today from the proof of the council elders who's average age we need to know. Find the oldest free-born and that would be your answer.
(I hope that made some sense)
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Post by xkamelx on Aug 15, 2004 1:13:32 GMT -5
A little, by 'previous reload' you mean the beginning of the Matrix we saw in the films? So basically the only way to know for sure, is to go track down the oldest elder of Zion, and ask him?
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Post by ~ Bad Ash ~ on Aug 15, 2004 1:25:11 GMT -5
Yes, we see one version of the Matrix which was, I think, the seventh Reload. Now working on what the Architect tells us happens when it reloads, Zion is destroyed and is rebuilt allover again with sixteen females and seven males. (or something like that number) Making the oldest freeborns in Zion one of the original members, unless it's older than that, (but I don't see why it would be). It is this current reload that the Oracle plays her dangerous game with Neo as her pawn.
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Post by xkamelx on Aug 15, 2004 19:47:12 GMT -5
Interesting!! And they did get lucky that The Oracle played her game, as forif not, then chances were this version would have neded up like the previous ones. But still, saddly I'm unable to ask a Zion elder.
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Post by ~ Bad Ash ~ on Aug 16, 2004 0:30:14 GMT -5
Very much so, remember what the Oracle first said to Neo "you've got the gift kid, but your waiting for something, another life maybe" and then follow the events of the movie. Neo does infact die when Smith shoots him in the doorway and is reborn through Trinity's love, thus he is in his next life when he overwrites Smith five minutes later.
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Post by xkamelx on Aug 16, 2004 18:14:58 GMT -5
I had never though of that, but that does make sence. After he came back, he was the man!!
I never understood how he came back though, or how he was able to stop the Sentinals in the real world. I know that something of Smith crossed over into him, and he was connected to the machines in a way, but I still dont understand it. The Matrix is one thing, but the real world?
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Post by ~ Bad Ash ~ on Aug 17, 2004 3:11:49 GMT -5
It was Trinity's love that brought him back, something the Architect never understood as all answers to him where either yes or no, basic computing decisions. This is demonstrated when Neo will not give up in Revolutions against Smith, remembering Smith has the same basic yes/no programming.
Neo's connection in the real world. Yes when he and Smith crossed paths they did assimulate each others code as one was good and one was evil. They were each others ying and yang. Neo being able to destroy Sentinals in the real world was testament to the fact he was truely the ONE. The one born inside the Matrix that had the power to change the design of the machines themselves, but it didn't happen until his human mind allowed him to believe it could. This is eveident all the way through the movies with the Oracle pushing Neo in the right directions to discover himself. Even she wasn't sure in the end he could actually be the ONE to do it, but she was willing to take that gamble because she believed in him and she wasn't built like the Architect, she was a learning program, not simply a yes/no program.
(This does my head in everytime I try to explain my views to someone, lmao.)
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Post by xkamelx on Aug 18, 2004 20:51:23 GMT -5
That makes perfect sence to me, thanks for that!
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Post by ~ Bad Ash ~ on Aug 19, 2004 3:00:11 GMT -5
A really good site to go to is thematrix101.com (I think that's the address.) It has a very deep philosophy about the Matrix.
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Post by Kmylove on Oct 9, 2006 14:32:42 GMT -5
I had never though of that, but that does make sence. After he came back, he was the man!! I never understood how he came back though, or how he was able to stop the Sentinals in the real world. I know that something of Smith crossed over into him, and he was connected to the machines in a way, but I still dont understand it. The Matrix is one thing, but the real world? Also, the way I see things about your question: evry program had its connection to the Source. Smith was a program. When Neo copied himself into Smith (or whatever you can call what he did at the end of the first movie), he somehow got directly connected to the Source too. In Reloade, the mission of the One is to return to the Source and copy his code in order to restart the Matrix to a better version enriched by his life experience. He fails to do this. But the fact that he can stop the Sentinels is explained by his connection to the Source. After he gets connected in the Matrix (in Revolutions) and he defeats Smith, he becomes the Source. I hope I'm making some sense with this... About your first question, about the time. I think that the Machines have basicly been reloading the same pieces of history over and over after each reloaded version of the Matrix. The studied human history and they inserted wars because they realized that humans can't live in a perfect society.
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