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Post by zapphnath on Aug 1, 2005 1:12:40 GMT -5
Me, personally - I don't care for the storyline in any of the Matrix movies. All in all, it doesn't make much sense. I can buy the idea of the machines taking over. I can buy them using humans as "batteries", of sorts. What I can't buy, however, is the idea of the matrix, itself. Why would it even be necessary? I mean, the machines are creating humans by the thousands in what, i guess, is a cloning process. (This was never really explained, to my knowledge). Why would the machines care whether the humans thought they were living real lives? Why would they go to all of that trouble to create this alternate world for the humans to exist in? So that they'll live a little longer - produce energy a little longer? So what? They'll only live for twenty years instead of sixty? Make two more and save all of the energy used to produce the alternate reality, all those Mr. Smiths, and all of those other machines that are being sent out after those that escape. Oh, well - I guess it wouldn't have been as interesting a movie that way. Although, the most interesting parts were the special effects - except that I first saw "bullet time" used in an Aerosmith video, long before I saw the movie. Ahh - 'nuf sed.
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Post by Samus Aran on Aug 15, 2005 8:46:31 GMT -5
The reason so many people didn't like Reloaded/Revolutions is that they didn't understand it. However there is a lot (I mean A LOT) of details to pay attention to, implications, and reading between the lines. The Wachowski (mind the spelling) brothers created the ultra-complex plot knowing that the general public would not fully comprehend it. Once you do understand, it is an amazing trilogy. After watching it a third time with the subtitles on, I truly appreciated the movies.
The original Matrix could be viewed as part of the trilogy or alone. The ending of the movie is a fine conclusion, but it left the possibility of a sequel. I do agree that the entire mood of the original is different from the sequels. It is also a lot more simple than the sequels (though many would still argue that they have a headache trying to understand it).
To truly enjoy the sequels you have to really understand what is going on. Did you understand that the highway chase was because they had to open the door in 314 seconds or less? There is a lot of deep stuff happening in the movie. I don't want to spoil anything for anyone; you should discover on your own. But what you really need to understand is that everything is not human vs. computers/machines. It's not that simple. Cuz then like zapphnath said, there is no point to having the matrix. The machines are by no means a united force. They are constantly battling one another for power. The matrix is the equivalent of the internet. Through it, everything exists and communicates. Pay close attention to the agenda of each "computer character". This includes the Oracle (who by the way is not a true prophet like some people think), the Frenchman, the agents (who are the sentinals in the real world), agent smith, the ghost twins, persephony, the architect, seraph, the subway guardian, the indian "man" at the subway stop, the ruler of computers (that big thing neo negotiates with) etc etc etc.
A lot of people also do not seem to understand what neo is. Try to make sense of the things that the architect tell him. It may sound like gibberish, but that is the farthest thing from the truth. About 50% of all the questions are answered there. The architect seeks perfection, but by no means is he himself perfect. Also, this one is pretty easy (many still miss it), but I hope everyone realizes that Neo is the sixth, "super-human" to emerge from the Matrix and the consequences have been growing larger each time, for the machines.
It is largely due to ignorance that people do not like the matrix sequels. If you have only seen it once, and do not want to see it again because it is "bad" or "dumb" give it another chance. Have your brain alert this time. Make sure there are no distractions during the movie. I don't recommend eating, doing work, or making out during this movie or you will definitely not "get it". There is a lot of analysis on the internet also if you need any answers.
Samus out.
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Post by Peter on Aug 15, 2005 10:39:41 GMT -5
I thought the first one was best because the philosophy in it seemed a lot more relevant compared to the sequels. In my opinion it was also more enjoyable as a film. The second didn't seem as good, and they even seemed unnecessary to me. Just my opinion though, they were OK films.
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Post by mechmaster1 on Feb 19, 2006 17:12:45 GMT -5
I've watched all three and still prefer the first most. Reloaded seemed to be the worst, in my opinion. It was a bit cheesy and appeared to be concentrating on the fight-scenes more than the plot. And of course, the ending in Revolutions was extremely disappointing, and I think that put a lot of people off. The first film was just different to everything else before it and appealed to a lot of people, I think. Sci-fi fans in particular. I agree, the ending in MATRIX: REVOLUTIONS was kind of sad, but it was necessary. Neo and Trinity had to die, in order for all of the Humans to be free. Their sacrifice gave Zion and the World in the Matrix a much brighter day (especially at the very end). Personally, I liked all of the MATRIX movies equally. I think that part of the reason why the first MATRIX movie stood out so much was because those 2 boys who shot and killed all of those kids at Columbine High School were BIG fans of it, along with the DOOM computer/video games. Things began to calm a little when all of that negative publicity died down. Also, the first MATRIX movie really introduced us all to those special camera effects that the Wachowski Brothers had been using throughout the entire series. By the time that we saw MATRIX: RELOADED and MATRIX: REVOLUTIONS, we were already accustomed tp those special effects. According to me, all 3 of those movies were good. In THE MATRIX, I liked the scenes when Neo and Trinity were going to rescue Morpheus. That firearm storehouse was awesome! They had enough firepower there to at least take out the entire Russian Army. I liked it when Trinity said, "No one has ever done anything like this before.", with Neo responding, "That's why it's going to work!", as he snapped the clip. The lobby scene was well done, and I liked the scene of Neo shooting up the programs/agents with that helicopter-mounted machine gun. That was sweet! I liked that blonde-haired lady in red that Neo and Morpheus passed by while they were in training. She was fine! In MATRIX: RELOADED, I liked the scene where Neo fights all those Agent Smith clones. Smith sounded like he was on some business commercial, as he started to reveal his first extra clones. I liked the other scenes, starting with the introduction of the Frenchman and his wife. Man, she was fine. So was that pretty blonde-haired lady eating that cheesecake (played by Tory Mussett). The Ghost Twins reminded me of Tomax and Xamot , those 2 Cobra agents on G. I. Joe. The freeway chase was very awesome. I liked the way the Keymaster was holding on to Trinity's rear while riding that cycle with her. (I happen to have fantasies of myself holding on to a woman's rear while she pilots a jet ski. Do you think I am odd?) The fight between Morpheus and that other agent on top of that tractor trailer was great too, although I wish Morpheus did not throw him at that oncoming car - driven by an innocent Human civilian. Then, the scene ended with a big bang as the those 2 trucks collided with 1 another... I am also glad we got a chance to meet the Architect. I did, however, find myself rewinding that scene several times, so I could understand what he was saying. It did kind of confuse me. I was glad to see Zion, for I was curious about what it looked like. I liked the multicultural dance scene that took place after Morpheus's big speech. In MATRIX: REVOLUTIONS, I most definitely like the Battle of Zion scenes. Those Sentinel robots swarmed around the place, like flying fish. Those mechanical monsters were just relentless. That whole thing was just a shooting gallery. Those 2 ladies who were helping to fight the Sentinels were fairly attractive. Also, I liked the scene showing Morpheus and Nyobi piloting the ship through the tunnel, while fighting off those Sentinels. Also, I am glad we got a look at Machine City, and at that which ran it. Deux Ex Machina's face formation reminded me of a demon on the movie CONSTANTINE (that was a composite of many worms or bugs), and also of a being named Swarm, who appeared on an episode of an old SPIDERMAN cartoon series that was shown during the 1980s. Overall, that was pretty smart on how they got rid of Agent Smith, though. Throughout RELOADED & REVOLUTIONS, I thought that the Architect was Human. It was not until the end of REVOLUTIONS that I found out that he was not Human. So therefore, I have one basic question. How did these Machines come into existence in the first place? It is well established that mechanisms do not just come out of thin air and exist the way us Organisms do. For example, the second and third TERMINATOR movies explained how Skynet, that evil future supercomputer, came into existence, thereby making it able to send terminators back in time. I first thought that the Architect created the whole thing, but he is not Human either. So exactly who (or what) is most directly responsible for the creation of these microprocessed monstrosities? If anyone is able to answer my question, then please let me know something as soon as possible. One can even send an answer to my . Overall, I enjoyed all of the MATRIX movies. They had elements of the TERMINATOR series, the STAR WARS series and the LAWNMOWER MAN movies all rolled into one. I thought it was all an excellent idea. Also, I enjoyed seeing the diversity of the characters of the movies. People from all different backgrounds were banding together to fight the tyranny of the machines. To me, it was an excellent movie series.
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Post by Kmylove on Oct 9, 2006 14:17:31 GMT -5
Throughout RELOADED & REVOLUTIONS, I thought that the Architect was Human. It was not until the end of REVOLUTIONS that I found out that he was not Human. So therefore, I have one basic question. How did these Machines come into existence in the first place? It is well established that mechanisms do not just come out of thin air and exist the way us Organisms do. For example, the second and third TERMINATOR movies explained how Skynet, that evil future supercomputer, came into existence, thereby making it able to send terminators back in time. I first thought that the Architect created the whole thing, but he is not Human either. So exactly who (or what) is most directly responsible for the creation of these microprocessed monstrosities? If anyone is able to answer my question, then please let me know something as soon as possible. One can even send an answer to my . The answer who created the machines can be found in the Animatrix, in the part called "The Second Renaissance". You can find some plot details here: The Second RenaissanceI agree with the majority, I do like the first movie best. It is extremely original, definitely something never seen before. It's full of hidden meanings, it's very action packed, everything basicly takes you by surprise. But although I preffer the first movie, I can't say the others were bad. Of course, I admit my least favourite is Revolutions, because there's basicly to much fighting, not as much philosophy. Some scenes are ridiculously long, like the Burly brawl and the Highway chase. Revolutions on the other hand is a very good movie. Very emotional, very deep. The effects were spectacular, personally I am impressed by the visual impact of te fighting scenes between men and machines. And the ending was far from being disapointing. sure, it wasn't what anyone would expect, but it's an ending full of meanings. It took me a lot of reading and research to fully understand the meanings behind Neo's choice and his destiny. Basicly I understand that things had to end like that, and I expect a sequel coming soon, because in my point of view,, the story is far from being over.
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