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Post by PurpleEyes on Jun 1, 2004 1:13:08 GMT -5
You guys are all cool and everything, but the Matrix trilogy was perfectly executed. Sure, not everyone will agree with everything in them, but the movies did make sense and everything that happened in them happened for a reason. Have we all forgotten our "willfull suspension of disbelief?" I haven't forgotten, believe me. I'll never see anything quite like it. Sorry Speed, but I can't agree with you. It was just total bollocks. It made no sense. In the third one, why the hell did they fight those billions of sentinels, whereas in the first one they said "only one sentinel per person in Zion" and yet there's only about 1000 people in Zion as far as I can see? Actually, it is said in Reloaded that there are 250,000 Sentinels - so yeah that sounds about right.
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Post by ZERO on Jun 1, 2004 3:06:02 GMT -5
Actually, it is said in Reloaded that there are 250,000 Sentinels - so yeah that sounds about right. And you would seriously tell me that when those sentinels start pouring out of the roof that's not more than 250,000?
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Post by ZERO on Jun 1, 2004 3:07:34 GMT -5
Oh and another thing... it was so goddamn obvious Trinity was going to die. Before entering the cinema to watch Revolutions, I said to myself "I wonder how they're going to kill Trinity?"
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Post by PurpleEyes on Jun 1, 2004 20:48:40 GMT -5
And you would seriously tell me that when those sentinels start pouring out of the roof that's not more than 250,000? Who knows, might have been more than that, but I wasn't sitting there trying to gauge the amount.
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Post by Speed on Jun 1, 2004 22:22:49 GMT -5
Sorry Speed, but I can't agree with you. It was just total bollocks. It made no sense. In the third one, why the hell did they fight those billions of sentinels, whereas in the first one they said "only one sentinel per person in Zion" and yet there's only about 1000 people in Zion as far as I can see? It wasn't bollocks! It was THE DOG'S BOLLOCKS!!! LOL!
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Post by ZERO on Jun 2, 2004 2:49:08 GMT -5
It wasn't bollocks! It was THE DOG'S BOLLOCKS!!! LOL! ;D All in all it was a real dissapoitment, but I must admit it had a lot to do to be better than the first. So it was an average movie. Not as great as it should have been though.
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 10, 2004 21:03:23 GMT -5
I'm glad we all have a difference of opinion, it would be pretty boring if we all thought the same thing, but. .. .ARE YOU GUYS CRAZY? I finally saw Revolutions last night (Thus the reason why I stayed out of this thread) and I LOVED the movie. It was great. Now, I loved the original, just about a perfect movie, and I liked ReLoaded, but after the awew of finally seeing it wore off, I could understand why some were disappointed in it. The whole Zion dance scene seemed out of place ,although looking back on it I see why it was done, to give us a glimps of it being a real society, so we will be more emotionally attatched to it in part 3 during the climax of the war. Part two also complexed the story more, it was more then Neo being the one and will win no matter what, now the layers of the story thickens, which you should appreciate Oliver seeing as how you are not a fan of fight scenes. Enough of ReLoaded, Revolutions was great. I did not mind the battles, as we already had the entire story just about, we already had years to process the story in our head, now it was time to see the war finally unfold. And unlike part 2, the battles didnt seem like recycled effects from the original. Seeing those Sentinals attack Zion was amazing, I feel, if youre going to have a war, make it the largest damn war you possibly can, ala LOTR. Yes, make it seem like the good guys have almost no chance in hell of winning. I loved the Zion battle, the intesity of it was unmatched by any other. The emotion was just as good, seeing different characters in different areas of the battle, and knowing this was the final movie made it that much more suspensful, as any character could die at this point. As for Trinity dying, I say good. You guys cant tell me you want yet another happy ending, with Neo and Trnity sailing off into the sunset to live happily ever after. That has been done sooooooooo many times before, and if the Matrix movies are about anything, they are about originality. It was very emotional when she died, and very unexpected. I thought her last words to Neo was beautiful. And I'm glad Neo died as well. It made perfect sence. The only way to stop Smith was for the one to give his own life. If there was any other way, then the Matrix itself could have stopped Smith. This was the most logical choice to take, and I'm glad they dared to make it. It personafied the power of Smith, the dedication Neo had, and the overall importance of the war. There was no way to destroy the Matrix without killing everyone attatched to it, and there was no way Zion was going to destroy the Sentinals on thier own. This way we get some emotion, some saddness, and some happiness as finally the war is over, and mankind as well as the machines are going to co-exist. Like i've been saying, overall I thought this movie was great, and was a great ending to a good trilogy. I also appreciate the second one more now that I've seen the last. Also you guys have to take into account, alot of people felt alienated because the last two were not like the original. Think about it, how could they be? For one, the original had bran new state of the art special effects, so we werent as awed in the other two, as we;ve seen it before, we are not seeing it for the first time. Also, the first one had a bit of mystery, as we really didnt know what the Matrix was, or what powers the one could have within it. Since he reached his peak by the end of the movie, there was no mystery in the sequels in that aspect. The only possible thing to do was add to the story, which they did. I think too many people were expecting the sequels to be carbon copies of the first movie, but that would have only ruined it. I'm happy with the way it turned out!! By all means, feel free to agree or tell me I'm wrong, I've stayed out of this thread as I didnt want spoilers, but alas I was able to see it!
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Post by valderra on Jun 11, 2004 4:31:59 GMT -5
Well... about time too. LOL I am glad you liked it.
I knew Trinity would die from what I heard about the third film so it didn´t come as a surprise to me. And I also am tired of all those happy endings where you already know at the beginning of the film who will live and who won´t.
But if I had to choose which of the two films after the original one I preferred, I would say the second one, Reloaded. It wasn´t great but at least there was still some spunk in it.
The third films was just an endless succession of fighting scenes, which I don´t like in any film. They are sometimes so drawn out - it seems like they go on for 10 minutes - Rambo films are like that - and I get bored halfway through. And all those Smith´s that suddenly appeared and THAT endless fight was a bore as well. So all in all, I thought the film was pretty boring. LOL
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 11, 2004 12:27:49 GMT -5
The reason I liked those battles, were because I had already gotten to know the characters involved. If it was a single movie, then there would be no way I could have cared, as I wouldnt care about the characters, but the first and second did an excellent job of setting up the story, and allowing me to get to know the characters, so then to see them finally in the battle of all battles was entertaining, as I actually cared what happened to them. Rambo was just Rocky with a machine gun, going against hundreds of unkown characters.
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Post by valderra on Jun 12, 2004 13:20:54 GMT -5
Rambo was just Rocky with a machine gun, going against hundreds of unkown characters. Yes, but the odd time he did have his one-on-one fights - like in the last Rambo film where he fights that guy in Bangkok. That´s another one of those endless fights.
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Post by ZERO on Jun 13, 2004 3:24:05 GMT -5
The third had no storyline. The second one didn't have much either. The first did. THat's wh ythe whole tri sucks. None of the movies have anything to do with the others. They might as well make it three seperate movies instead of a trilogy
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 13, 2004 14:48:16 GMT -5
The third had no storyline. The second one didn't have much either. The first did. THat's wh ythe whole tri sucks. None of the movies have anything to do with the others. They might as well make it three seperate movies instead of a trilogy I disagree. In the second one we find out that basically everything the Oracle told Morphous and Neo was BS. We find out that their has been other 'the ones' before Neo, that everything that was happening, icluding the humans finding 'the one' to save them, has all happened before, and despite Neo's victories, everything was going as The Matrix planned. We discover the Smith is back, with an imprint of Neo on his program. We are introduced to renegade programs, such as the Meroveinchian (sp) and discover thier purpose in The Matrix, ect ect. To say there was no story line in the other films is just wrong, and the movies set up the war in Zion perfectly, as does the video game 'Enter the Matrix'. I think Oliver, you are failing to realize the the original was PERFECT. The Matrix is a PERFECT movie. In order to continue the story, they had to develop the story more. IF they didnt then what? It would just be Neo kicking everyones but, as by that point now even the agents could harm him, so what is left besides Neo destroying the agent? I guess an agent could capture Trinity, and the movie could have been about him saving the damsil in distress, but how many times has that been done before? Six million? Like I said, there was no way to continue from the first movie, a perfect film, without altering the story a bit, and I think they did a great job with the new layers on the story they add, to the Oracle being a program who seemingly was misguiding Neo, to the Clone Smiths who were a new challenge for Neo, to Zion. You cannot match a perfect movie that had a beginning and an end, it's impossable. However, they did the best job they could given that circumstance, and they could not have done any better, no matter who they are, that was as good as it could have been, And to say there is a lack of story is silly, the Matrix plot is very complicated, very involved, and still, I don't quite understand all of it in it's entirety.
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Post by ZERO on Jun 13, 2004 20:36:12 GMT -5
Yeah, the first one was so good they tried to out-do it and as always failed. One thing that ruins the second movie is the fact that Neo fights about 500 Smiths, and then just flies away. Why the f**k did he stay and fight when he could have just flown away? And you can't say he didn't have room or time, he had plenty of time and room the whole fight. Or he could have just jumped away and then flown away.
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 13, 2004 21:07:00 GMT -5
Yeah, the first one was so good they tried to out-do it and as always failed. One thing that ruins the second movie is the fact that Neo fights about 500 Smiths, and then just flies away. Why the f**k did he stay and fight when he could have just flown away? And you can't say he didn't have room or time, he had plenty of time and room the whole fight. Or he could have just jumped away and then flown away. You have to think, that was the first encounter between then since Neo killed Smith in the original, and the first time Neo had seen a cloned Agent. I'm sure he either though he was going to kill Smith again, and/or wanted to stick around to see what this new Smith was all about, to better know his enemy. It would have been foolish for Neo to see his dead nemisis, cloned dead nemisis and simply leave, that wouldnt have made any sence.
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Post by ~ Bad Ash ~ on Jun 13, 2004 23:25:42 GMT -5
Trinity dies in the movie allowing Neo to be free from her and strengthen his love for humanity thus allowing him to sacrifice his own life for the Oracle. The main story , centering on Neo was never really about him , but about one of the 'smaller' players in The Oracle. It was her vision that pushes the characters in all the movies , and as the Architect says in the last scene from Revolutions , a dangerous game she played in bringing peace to both the machines and the humans. Remember several 'ones' have come before , but it was Neo after he dies in the original Matrix the has the faith of the Oracle to thrust her plan into action.
The Brothers , while intending three movies never really anticipated anything other than one , making the original a movie in it's own right , this is why the sequence feels a little disjointed.
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