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Post by ConqueringWolf on Aug 12, 2006 19:29:15 GMT -5
OK, for those who haven't heard yet the rumors are that Trek XI will be about a young Kirk, Spock, and McCoy while in Starfleet Academy. One problem i have with this is that McCoy and Spock were older than Kirk and probably would not have gone to the Academy at the same time that he did. Not to mention the idea of someone else playing the roles that started Star Trek? WTH Matt Damon is rumored to be James Kirk? AUUUGHHHH!!!! While I would probably watch this movie just because it is Trek i would more than likely hate it and be wishing that they had never made such a piece of crap. Why can;t they keep things in the future and leave the stuff that has already come before alone? Didn't Enterprise teach them that prequels are probably not going to go over well? not to mention what kind of plot could they have in the academy?
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Post by xkamelx on Aug 12, 2006 20:00:32 GMT -5
Absolute Blasphemy. For one, no one should ever play the TOS crew except for the original actors, no matter how old they are and even a limited cast due to the unfortunate deaths of Doohan and Kelley. I've also heard rumors that Matt Damon is set to play Kirk, almost confirmed here at IMDb. Matt Damon is a fine actor, but like I said, only Shatner should play Kirk. Also, Matt Damon is 36 years old, William Shatner was 35 when he began playing Kirk, so how in the hell is going to be a convincingly portrayal of Kirk at Starfleet academy? Wolf also has good points with the age difference in the TOS characters, and the point of Enterprise failing. Don't get me wrong, I liked Enterprise, and wish it had continued on for 7 seasons, but the prequel idea failed to pull in the ratings, and I think a prequel move will fail at the box office, further burying Star Trek. I say give us a movie set after Nemesis, with either Riker on the Titan, Picard's final Enterprise mission, a DS9 movie, a Voyager movie, or a movie combining all or some of the 24th century characters, or a movie with an all new crew, on the USS Whatever ship. I too will go see the movie because it's a Star Trek movie, but I'm very disappointed in what I've been hearing so far.
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Post by BFD on Aug 12, 2006 20:54:54 GMT -5
I agree, it is a very disappointing choice for a movie. What was the point of killing Data and setting up the character of B4 if they weren't going to do something with it in the next movie? I admit, I am not that fond of Nemesis, but the possibilites it opened up made it worthwhile.
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Post by OmniDude on Aug 12, 2006 21:25:41 GMT -5
I personally doubt that they would go back in a movie, since the movies have remained purely linear, of all things. The series jumped all over the place, but the movies at least have not doubled back on themselves. A prequel movie would just be a terrible butchering of the nice consistency. I could go for something on the Titan or maybe a movie version of the Homecoming dualogy written by Kristie Golden.
(Basically voyager comes home and then a hologram revolution starts. Also there is a borg virus running rampant and making people borg.)
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Post by BFD on Aug 12, 2006 21:29:51 GMT -5
Basically voyager comes home and then a hologram revolution starts. Also there is a borg virus running rampant and making people borg. Now THAT would be incredible! Kind of non-corporeal version of the cylon war on BSG...
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Post by xkamelx on Aug 12, 2006 21:34:31 GMT -5
I like that idea, and let's have it as dark as BSG has been, where all hope seems lost for the Federation. The best DS9 episodes where when the Dominion were dominating The Federation & allies.
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Post by Speed on Aug 15, 2006 4:05:13 GMT -5
I'm just as much of a Trek fanboy as the rest of you, but I don't think the movie will be that bad. Who wouldn't want to see Cadet James T. Kirk before he became the take charge captain we've all come to know and love? If Matt Damon is slated to play Kirk, I think he'll do a great job. He even resembles young Kirk a bit. The casting for Spock and McCoy will probably be difficult, but they'll do just fine as well, I'm sure.
Another point is this. How many times have I (and I'm sure many of you) wanted to see TOS-era ships with modern day CGI and special effects? Answer: 79 times. Every single time I watch TOS I think, "Man...wouldn't it be awesome if they had CGI back in the Sixties?" Well, now we'll get to see that era of ship with all the trimmings.
And about the theory that no one should be allowed to play the "Holy Trinity" except Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley. Well....I have to say that's a very limiting viewpoint to have. Someone, somewhere, right this very instant, is probably dreaming up a brand new adventure about Kirk and Crew set in TOS era. There are probably a lot more than just a single person thinking about these things. Maybe some of these folks are even writing their ideas down. On the rare opportunity that someone at Paramount gets hold of one of these stories and wants to make it into a movie, THEY CAN'T. Why? Shatner and the rest are way too old to reprise their roles if set in the TOS era. That's why we need some young blood to freshen up the franchise. Everyone loves Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, etc. Why not keep on loving them regardless of what actor portrays them?
And along that train of thought, I know some of you have HAD TO have seen "Star Trek: New Voyages." I for one, LOVE the series. Sure, it's not canon and the first couple of episodes were a little hokey, but wasn't it good to see the Original Crew back in action again? (Yes, I know Cawley's hair sucked, but he's a real life Elvis impersonator for cryin' out loud!)
Anyways, all I'm saying is give the movie a chance before you pass judgement. You might be pleasantly surprised.
P.S. For the record, Enterprise was GREAT!!! It was just the third season that was lousy! =)
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Aug 15, 2006 11:37:23 GMT -5
Star Trek: New Voyages? I have never heard of it let alone seen it? What is it and all that stuff?
As for going back I just personally don't see how you can have a good movie set in academy days, it's basically just school, who cares about Kirk when he was going to school, not to mention like Ii said McCoy and Spock would have graduated from the academy long before Kirk was even in it. Spock was on board the Enterprise with Pike while Kirk was still playing in the academy.
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Post by Speed on Aug 15, 2006 16:32:14 GMT -5
You make a lot of good points against it, Wolf, but hopefully whoever they get to write the film will put things in proper perspective. As for New Voyages, go visit www.newvoyages.com and download a couple of episodes. Actually, there are currently only 2 episodes anyways, with a third to be released in September I believe. Basically, a bunch of fans got together and built an exact replica of the Enterprise bridge from TOS. Then they decided to make their own episodes. They got some guys from the production crew who worked on the movies, TNG, VOY, and DS9 to help film it, some guys who worked on the CGI from Paramount and BOOM!! TOS lives again! They basically wanted to pick up where TOS leaves off and finish the original five year mission. For the third episode that's yet to be released, they've got Walter Koenig reprising his role as Chekov. George Takei has also signed on to play Sulu again in a future episode, and Grace Lee Whitney (Yeoman Rand) will also be appearing. The acting is fairly sub-par, but they're getting better with each episode. The guy that plays Spock is dead-on. Basically, they're allowed to make all the films they want as long as they make no profit from it. That comes from some deal with Paramount they had to make for legal issues. It's not great acting, but it is great camera work, CGI, and hopefully soon, great stories. DC Fontana has signed on to write a couple of episodes. I can't wait to see what happens. The wait is excruciating though because they only make about one episode a year. Since the agreement with Paramount says they can't make any profit from the episodes, they have to fund the filming of the episodes out of their own pockets.
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Post by xkamelx on Aug 15, 2006 17:47:58 GMT -5
I'm just as much of a Trek fanboy as the rest of you, but I don't think the movie will be that bad. Who wouldn't want to see Cadet James T. Kirk before he became the take charge captain we've all come to know and love? If Matt Damon is slated to play Kirk, I think he'll do a great job. He even resembles young Kirk a bit. The casting for Spock and McCoy will probably be difficult, but they'll do just fine as well, I'm sure. Another point is this. How many times have I (and I'm sure many of you) wanted to see TOS-era ships with modern day CGI and special effects? Answer: 79 times. Every single time I watch TOS I think, "Man...wouldn't it be awesome if they had CGI back in the Sixties?" Well, now we'll get to see that era of ship with all the trimmings. And about the theory that no one should be allowed to play the "Holy Trinity" except Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley. Well....I have to say that's a very limiting viewpoint to have. Someone, somewhere, right this very instant, is probably dreaming up a brand new adventure about Kirk and Crew set in TOS era. There are probably a lot more than just a single person thinking about these things. Maybe some of these folks are even writing their ideas down. On the rare opportunity that someone at Paramount gets hold of one of these stories and wants to make it into a movie, THEY CAN'T. Why? Shatner and the rest are way too old to reprise their roles if set in the TOS era. That's why we need some young blood to freshen up the franchise. Everyone loves Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, etc. Why not keep on loving them regardless of what actor portrays them? And along that train of thought, I know some of you have HAD TO have seen "Star Trek: New Voyages." I for one, LOVE the series. Sure, it's not canon and the first couple of episodes were a little hokey, but wasn't it good to see the Original Crew back in action again? (Yes, I know Cawley's hair sucked, but he's a real life Elvis impersonator for cryin' out loud!) Anyways, all I'm saying is give the movie a chance before you pass judgement. You might be pleasantly surprised. P.S. For the record, Enterprise was GREAT!!! It was just the third season that was lousy! =) I still think they should move on. I'm interested in seeing the linear storyline of the Star Trek universe, I want to see what happens next after everything we have seen since 1987. I just simply do not care about Kirk in his academy days. I'm a fan of Enterprise, I really liked it, but something did seem to be too different about it. It was almost an entirely different universe then what we have come to know, almost not Star Trek. I think that is one of the things that turned so many viewers away from it. Like I said, I will go see this movie, because it is a Star Trek movie, and I may even enjoy it, but I would rather see Star Trek move on then to go on and revisit the past so many times. By the way Speed, it's very nice to see you again, old friend.
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Aug 15, 2006 20:23:06 GMT -5
I will check it out sometime and see what it's like. Still think it's a horrible idea to make an academy newbie Kirk movie but who knows, maybe they will surprise me and make something not horrible
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Post by Speed on Aug 16, 2006 3:14:08 GMT -5
By the way Speed, it's very nice to see you again, old friend. Good to see you too! I recently broke my ankle and I'm going to have a lot of time on my hands so you'll probably see quite a bit more of me for awhile! Back to the Star Trek topic, I have a feeling that the TNG movies are over. Data's dead and even with the whole "B4" thing, Spiner thinks he's too old to play an ageless character. Riker has his own command now and Troi left with him. Worf is off doing his own thing as well. I think that leaves us with Picard, LaForge, and Dr. Crusher. And maybe Barclay, depending on where he's assigned at the time. (I sure wish Ro Laren would've hung around a bit longer! I've developed a thing for Bajoran women!)Sounds like a pretty weak cast if you ask me. Sure, Patrick Stewart is a great enough actor that he could pull off a whole film by himself, but a whole Star Trek film? I don't think so. Plus, what do we have to look forward to? Voyager made it home, The Dominion War is over, Sisko's hangin' wit' the Prophets. What's next? Vulcan and Romulan Reunification? Romulans joining the Federation? Sisko returning from the Celestial Temple? I think they've run out of new material. It took 20 years from the time TOS ended until there was another Trek Show on TV (TNG). Maybe it really does need a rest like all of these people in interviews from Paramount have been saying. If that's what it takes to regain the quality that Trek used to display, I'll wait awhile. I may be a fan of Enterprise, but even I can admit it was sub-par. I'd hate to see Paramount rush into something new without thinking it through first. Anyways, it'll be interesting to see what the next year or so brings with regards to this Academy Prequel. I mean, it's already confirmed that Kirk and Spock will be in it just from the teaser poster on Startrek.com. That TOS-Era Enterprise mission patch with half Command Yellow and half Sciences Blue is a dead giveaway. Unless they're making a movie about Captain Pike or Captain April. Any way it goes, I think I'm gonna be happy. I just can't bring myself to be dissatisfied with Star Trek in any incarnation. (Except that ridiculous Xindi CRAP!)
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Post by xkamelx on Aug 17, 2006 18:05:27 GMT -5
I think TNG movies are over as well. For some reason I don't think Dr. Crusher is on board the Enterprise E anymore, not sure why, but I think she is back at Starfleet Academy teaching like Chief O'Brien. I also think Barcley is off doing his own thing as well, wasn't he working on the Pathfinder mission after First Contact? Which would make it reasonable to assume he's now doing something else, somewhere else now that Voyager is home again.
I just don't think Nemesis gave enough closure, dunno, maybe it was because Picard was going to set out on more missions.
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Post by 0 of 0 on Aug 18, 2006 9:07:21 GMT -5
I don't think if they made this movie that it would be succesful.
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Post by Speed on Aug 19, 2006 5:54:31 GMT -5
Well, there's really no "if" about it. It's on the board and in pre-production. It's now a question of "when." I think they're shooting for a 2008 release, but I could be misinformed.
I actually think it's going to do quite well. Definately better than Nemesis did at the box-office.
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