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Post by DeepSPace9 on Nov 27, 2003 12:58:22 GMT -5
If you listen to my kids(especially Matt the 7 yr old) you would hear him say that its fitting who I got The best Star Trek character ever has got to be Harry Kim. If I was trapped on Voyager and noticed everyuone getting promoted before me after 7 years I would be pissed. Hell I would want to kill Tom Paris because he went from a Lt to Ensign, and back to Lt JG all the while he stayed an Ensing all 7 years. Talk about unfair. Guess Janeway held his one romantic encounter with the alien against him for the last 5 years uin the Delta Quadrant, that witch
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Post by vold on Nov 27, 2003 13:34:30 GMT -5
Now that is being unfair Deepspace9 & for calling her such a way too She didn't, didn't promote Kim not because of that incident in fact its the last thing in her mind about it, its just that there's not many command structure on board Voyager for him or many others to promote into. Take for example, in a game of ranking upgrades of the soldiers, I got 8 people only, so there’s no chance at all that there will be any other commander ranking fella other then the player themselves because there’s just too little people in the group so such rank is irrelevant. & there will be lots of people who will remain at Ensign Rank, no matter how long he serve in that group, unless more people are recruited so he can move up to be the superior of those newbies or he has been moved to another group & hopefully that group don't have much high rankers so he can become 1 of them. If I got say over 20 units in a group, then there’s a chance to getting some Commander ranking individuals because were having such a large number of people to control. Its all a matter of circumstances. Even Harry Kim understands that & he explained it to his parents. You can't go around calling people "B...h" or any other words, just because things are looking down or don't agree with you. otherwise you'd becoming the very thing you are criticizing. no offense. If you got a problem, try to look at it rationally or complain about it like a gentleman [with manners], don't result to such heinous methods. again no offense intended. In my opinion, all this ranking stuff is underrated, if not irrelevant to an individuals mind, so what you're captain or commander or admiral, you are what you still are, a human individual doing his or her best to survive best they can. So even if Harry did get promoted, what is he going to do? He's post is still the OPS level. Would you like to see a Commander ranked person working at lower levels? Maybe he could be lieutenant, I'm not sure how their command structure works, maybe there’s a limit to how many lieutenants they can have. In other words, they all can live with it & still be a great family despite this "ranking issues" what's the problem then? breaking something more important as family just for a title is the most degrading act of thinking ever. no offense
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Post by DeepSPace9 on Nov 27, 2003 19:30:54 GMT -5
It was a sarcastic post Vold.
It was meant to be hilarious actually, because remember Harry even told her in the 6th season he would be a Lt Commander already if they were still in the Alpha Quadrant, which she sorta agreed with.
Even if he had been promoted, yes he would still be at OPS. But he wouldn't be relegated to standing the mid-watch either.
Also keep in mind, he did make mention in the episode where Paris got the rank back, that he didn't find one of them on his chair either, and Chakotey and Janeway laughed at them.
I always liked Kim, his youthful exuberiance always lightened the show up actually, because he was so homesick. Remember when they started getting letters from home again, how depressed he got when he didn't recieve any? Just like real life.
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Post by vold on Nov 28, 2003 6:23:06 GMT -5
Harry Kim, Janeway, Paris, etc. They all know the fact that Kim would be promoted in the Alpha Quadrant because of numerous posts for him. & Kim is also being sarcastic at that moment of Tom's promotion, not that he's envied of the situation. PS: You want to be sarcastic, ok, but try not using such words as "bitch" or anything else insulting that could tip the soft spot in some fans. Just for the record, I'm not "tipped" , just giving a friendly advice/suggestion. I'm known to be sarcastic too, but never used such terms to do so. Never once I sound like insulting someone, when I acted "sarcastic"
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Post by xkamelx on Nov 28, 2003 8:07:32 GMT -5
Deepspace9 meant nothing by it vold, if he did i'd have to go to his house and suplex him as i'm in love w/ Miss Janeway, not so much her looks (not that shes bad looking) but because of her personality. As far as ranks go, I feel Tuvok should have been Janeway's first officer over Chakotay. Don't get me wrong, I like chakotay, but it seems Tuvok had more Starfleet experience, plus he was not an outlaw Marqi either As for the mindmelding, I believe Tuvok mindmelded w/ Janeway when he thught he was 'going crazy' but in reality he has a parasite that his within false memories of it's host. A Crewmen or Ensign on Captain Sulu's starship in the 23 century had it, but on a mission to save Captain Kirk from a Klingon prison, I believe, that Crewman / Ensign died and the parasite then entered Tuvok hiding for 70 years or so untill Tuvok started having what he thought were memories of a little girl falling off of a cliff. The Vulcan way to deal with such experiences is to mind meld with close family, but being lost in the Delta Quadrent Captain Janeway was the closest thing he had to family, and through thier meld of the 23rd century, The Doctor discovered the parasite. I rather enjoyed that episode, ecspecially with the apperence of Sulu and Janeway together, and the closing of the show when Tuvok and Janeway were talking about Captian Kirk and how times were different back then. It was quit nastolgic. ~Myke
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Post by vold on Nov 28, 2003 8:46:30 GMT -5
I know he's kidding around, that's why it bothers me even more. To kid around with such words. The world won't get any more peaceful if we take words like this so lightly, people who hear others keep saying this words so easily, they'd think its a normal if not "good thing" to say, so it spreads on like a plague, plaguing peoples innocent minds & creating more chaos for the future. Great things start with a single either small/big step. Be it good or bad. No offense DeepSpace9, but its a proven fact going on in our own lives not only fiction. You may mean nothing by it, but it can effect others in various ways. & I'm not holding u responsible for most of the madness going on around the world, just a thought I like to share. hope it does not offend you as it shouldn't.
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Post by DeepSPace9 on Nov 28, 2003 15:54:30 GMT -5
Actually I was using South Park humor when I shouldn't have.
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Post by vold on Nov 29, 2003 7:17:31 GMT -5
No harm done, ok. South park, hmm. from what i've heard, I'm not missing much in it. I may try watching it, if it so happens to fall on my hand
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Post by DeepSPace9 on Nov 29, 2003 12:57:12 GMT -5
Oh man, you are missing alot this season. This is by far the best season since season 3 for South Park. The episode with the mormons was hilarious.
To get back onto Star Trek though, remember that this weeks episode of Enterprise will be the last until Jan.
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Post by xkamelx on Nov 29, 2003 14:45:25 GMT -5
If you don't like sarcastic poking fun at socioty vold, then I doubt you'll like Star Trek.
As for Enterprise, that is a shame as I am finding less and less to watch on TV these days, and now one less show untill January.
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Post by vold on Nov 29, 2003 17:14:28 GMT -5
Kamel, I don't like mindless sarcasms like South Park's, Star Trek's are reasonable for their situations, conditions & people of their races. In other words, like I said there are ways to be sarcastic without going overboard. I love Star Trek, its the best story ever [its very realistic & serious type of show] well after TOS I mean, but TOS is the beginning of the entire story, its logical for their errors & showbiz's behaviors, in other words no problem about it being not so good Its the story that counts & all the hard work the actors & actresses put their effort into. I've seen 4 series & 7 movies & loved them all, even those I haven't seen yet, I'd like them too. Just because I dislike certain sarcasms, doesn't mean I dislike every single little type of sarcasms. You're judging me too broadly/widely.
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Post by xkamelx on Nov 29, 2003 18:40:33 GMT -5
If you don't like sarcastic poking fun at socioty vold, then I doubt you'll like Star Trek. ~Myke Opps, I meant Soth PArk vold, not Star Trek. South PArk pokes fun at many of the aspects of socioty. I must have had Star Trek on the brain. ~Myke
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Post by xkamelx on Nov 29, 2003 18:44:31 GMT -5
Like you vold, I find Star Trek to be very realistic. There are some physics that have been deemed impossable by todays scientifi world, such as Inertial Dampers to stop the massive G Forces when entering warp, but it;s not unlogical to think that such a technology will be possable in a hundred years or more. At the end of the 19th century, scientists and astronomers alike basically said "We have learned all there is to learn" and unofficially many people felt the same at the end of the 20th century. However 1999 seems likea great science fiction tale of a madman from the perspective of 1899, so imagine how the year 2099 will look like.
Again vold, I didnt mean to say Star Trek was unrealistic, ir that you didnt like it. I was reffering to South Park and typed Star Trek by mistake.
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Post by vold on Nov 29, 2003 23:10:41 GMT -5
no harm done, the mind is hard to keep in focus. I always considered Star Trek as 70% realistic. Most of their tech we are going to have too, transporters, replicators are also possible but not fully researched yet, etc. That's the benefit of our world, we dream up shows & possibilitites & bring it to reality, making us more advance then them in the story. Star Trek got high tech after 1st Contact. 2063. But we are having some of their stuffs in 2004 or bit later. See the greatness of imaginations
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Post by DeepSPace9 on Nov 29, 2003 23:38:18 GMT -5
Alot of modern technology was around in Science fiction films/shows long ago. Look at Star Trek the TV series(original), they had the sliding doors automatic doors that were not even around yet, now they are everywhere(minus the cool swoosh though ) The local hospital here has beds with digital monitors that were not even around 10 years ago, like in the Enterprise sickbay. Communicators, think of cell phones. You can now talk to someone on the other side of the Country without even having to dial a number now thanks to cell phone technology. Tricorders- while not actually perfroming like a tricorder, the US military uses hand held devices that can detect life signs from a distance. PDA's- think pads from Star Trek. PDA's can upload and store info from a main computer, just the same a pad could upload and store information in Star Trek. If you think about it, many things that were fiction years ago are now around.
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