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Post by xkamelx on Nov 20, 2003 22:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by Speed on Dec 16, 2003 9:25:55 GMT -5
I have to tell you all......I've stayed up all night reading all kinds of info on John Titor.....and this stuff scares the living shit out of me. What if he wasn't kidding? What if it's real.......I just hope I survive to 2036. I have some uses for a time machine right about now.
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Post by DeepSPace9 on Dec 16, 2003 11:49:32 GMT -5
Here is somemore stuff that I hate to say could not be true
The net has been a failure when it comes to books and literature. People still want to sit on a couch and chair and read a book, not staring at a monitor. It has been like that since books started going the microfiche (remember that contraption?) route.
Why would you need to go back in time to get the post WW3 world in normal condition? Think about it. He claims they want to return things to normal, yet it was the normal things in 2036 that started the war to begin with, so why go back to it? Sure life goes on after a war, but you try to get the stuff that is needed for survival first, technology comes second.
And don;'t get me going on the 2004 elections either. According to him, the US Civil War started from the 2000 Presidential elections, yet so far for the 2004 election, nothing from 2000 has even come up. Hell Al Gore isn't even running, so his 2000 results doesn't even matter. Or according to him, the timeline has shifted, so he shouldn't have needed to come back in timew, because his future has been changed.
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Post by xkamelx on Dec 17, 2003 0:26:56 GMT -5
LOL I love Time Travel Debates Remember DS9, that is what is happening in his world line, not ours. Remember he said he travels to worldline withing a divergence ratio or something, so not to end up in an EArth on 2003 where dinosaurs still roam. Thus infanite universe's. While that is probable, I do believe in other time lines, such as if I traveled back and stopped September 11th, our present would be changed. I'd still be in the same worldline on each space time period. Yet I beleive in other universe's as well, like the series finalli of TNG when Picard went to thre different time periods, those were three seperate space time continuums. It's very sonfusing yes, it confused the hell out of me. There are other world lines, but i'd imagine wone would have to find a rupture in the fabric of space to enter it. If I travel to the past and change something, it will change our present, so does that create another universe, another uiverse to contain our altered present from my actions in the past? There are quantim theories that every action we make spawns a universe. ~Myke
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Post by DeepSPace9 on Dec 17, 2003 11:33:53 GMT -5
So if there are so many different timelines, then I would have so much fun seeing what happens if I change a little thing then. Hell I would go back to the 1930's and prevent Hitler from ever rising to power, than I would give info on the atomic bomb to the US, then Japan may never attack Pearl Harbor, if there are seperate timelines, than it would be fun to change history to see what happens. If it doesn't come out the way you iked, go back and stop yourself from ever doing it. It would be fun I still don't buy his time traveler theory though. Sorry he refuses to give any true identity of future events, yet Nostradamus form 400 years ago seems to have predicted things even before they were even invented or thought of. Titor could have done that also, but he didn't. Instead he took the pansy way out and said he cannot tell. BS. You can give subtle hints of future events to people and not have them get worked up over it.
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Post by Riva on Feb 25, 2004 19:44:10 GMT -5
Hey, guys . . . . thanks for clueing me into the johntitor website. I just visited and only scratched the surface.
Did he predict the 'Mad Cow' scare correctly? Anything else come true yet?
He certainly seems to believe he is for real. But let me run this by you: Could someone imagine/write up a detailed future history and then hypnotize himself or a willing subject to absorb all that info and 'believe' himself a time traveler on cue? 'On cue' like before he gets online.
Could a couple of clever, brazen college students or even college proffessors pull that off?
Riva
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Post by xkamelx on Feb 25, 2004 20:23:48 GMT -5
Those are good questions. When I was debating with DS9 earlier in the thread, I was quite impressed with this guy. He seemed to have an answer for everything, and logical reasoning behind it.
I'd actually say anyone with enough motivation and education in quantam mechanics may be able to pull it off, but to possess both is probably an oddity.
I give the guy major credit, and wish I would have been there to speak with him.
As for the hynotism, I believe it's possable based on the theories.
~Myke
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Post by Riva on Feb 26, 2004 16:06:30 GMT -5
I do have an eerie tie-in with this supposed future historyof a second American civil war.
Talking with a professor friend here at Wichita State University, he says that the neo-conservatives have taken over the federal government . . . . And that their plan is to push all the functions of gov back onto the state govs except for national defense.
And that the way that they will achieve this is by running up the national debt so incredible high with these foriegn wars. Then saying, 'OK states, we can't support the FBI, EPA,FDA, FCC, federal courts system and all the other alphabet soup of agencies' that smooth out the otherwise rocky relationships between states. I'm sure that the feds will want to keep the IRS - $$$$$ is Power, after all.
So . . . . . the states will have to really jack up the taxes to take up the slack. And the feds may still want their same level of taxes to pay off national debt and step up the military.
So us Joe Smoes may be faced with, instead of 50% to 60% taxation like now, rather 75% to 80% taxation.
NOW THAT IS DAMN GOOD REASON FOR A CIVIL WAR !!!
Would that civil war then lead to goups of states with mutual interests banning together against the rest? Maybe 5 major coalitions of states leading to the 5 presidents that John Titor mentioned?
Ane according to John, aren't we supposed to move into this phase of civil war within the next 4 to 5 yrs ??
Think any of this sounds even remotely plausible ??
Come back, y'all.
Riva
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Post by xkamelx on Feb 26, 2004 16:25:14 GMT -5
If that scnerio played out, I think it sounds more then plausible. If our federal government broke away and stopped supporting our states, including a tax raise like that, I think a civil war is inevitable.
It would be interesting however, to see what kind of Miliraty the feds could produce, as I doubt most soldier's loyolties would lie within this federal givernment that is basically destroying the states, and our way of life. I know if I was a soldier, i'd be fighting with the Rebels.
At first I'd assume there would be an aliiance of most states, fighting big brother, if these states were to win, then later on down the road I see them fighting each other, as it is in our nature to fight.
Perhaps even eventually the governments would cease to exist, allowing for huge corporations to take over as seen in some Sci-Fi movies, as like you said $$$ = power, and these coporations have enough money to use it as door mats.
It is an interesting speculation, and yes, the time for this even according to John's prediction is only a few years away.
~Myke
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Post by Riva on Feb 26, 2004 17:33:15 GMT -5
Well, xkamelx, however this war plays out, a big city is going to be one of the worst places to live. Just another real good reason to live in the country and at least be able to partially live off the land.
I can see present day state tensions, like mineral rights and river usage, escalating violence without the mediation of a federal authority. Before our present Constitution, there was endless state squabbling under the loose alliance of the Articles of Confederation. It was only by strengthening the federal system that things smoothed out.
sorry got to go: fire alarm going off
Riva
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Post by xkamelx on Feb 26, 2004 17:49:51 GMT -5
I have always though the country would be a good place to live, in any event of this nature.
Fire alarm? Are you posting from work?
~Myke
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Post by xkamelx on Feb 26, 2004 21:48:56 GMT -5
Not from work, xkamelx, from the Wichita State University library. No computer at home so I post here usually after work.
As I was posting in the main lobby area, the fire alarm went off and everyone here figured that we better leave when it did not shut off. So I signed off and went home. Did some grocery shopping and now I am back. No ashes anywhere.
I'm going to check out the Titor website some more.
Riva
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Post by xkamelx on Feb 26, 2004 22:05:10 GMT -5
LOL Riva, when I saw a new post from 'xkamelx' that I didn't post, I was like "What the. .. ." ;D More exciting evening then me, I've been working on our new banner on top of the main page, and the new table ~Myke
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Post by Riva on Feb 27, 2004 17:49:03 GMT -5
Testing 1. . . .2. . . . 3. . . .
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Post by Riva on Feb 27, 2004 18:16:19 GMT -5
Alright . . . . I hate to write a juicy piece and it DISAPPEAR WHEN I POST IT !!!!!! I LIKE IT . . . . the new banner . . . more inclusive. We are talking about a possible real time traveller right here, for God's sake. I don't know what happened: I typed my message but when I tried to post, it gave me an error message to put a name on it. But when I typed 'Riva' at the top, it said that name was already taken ? But it did accept your name. Go figure. I read some more at the Titor site last nite and we will know soon if he knows our worldline future. The stirrings of our next civil war are suppose to start around the presidential election time THIS year and grow into 2005. More and more trouble spots flare up until the whole country is involved by 2010. He says from 2005 to 2015 is our internal struggle with 5 major state groups coalescing based on economic and military strength. THEN the major cities are wiped out by ground burst nuclear weapons from Russia, but he calls that 'good' 'cause that wipes out the backbone of the federal gov, the 'enemy'. I gather that the remnants of the feds are tracked down and killed by 2020, and then the 'recovery' really begins. Our country 'loses' 130 million citizens by the time it is all over. Pretty wild stuff . . . far from our basic expectation of slow, progressive change. But if he really wanted to convince us of his 'grasp' on the future, he could have cryptly told of Sept 11 attacks (but it may not have been on that exact date in his worldline chronology) That's all my thoughts for now Riva
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