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Post by Riva on Mar 1, 2004 10:53:10 GMT -5
Hey, Myke, I like the upgrades that you have made to your site, they add atmospheric texture.
I've been studying the Titor sites and some of his short term predictions seem to be coming true. Mad Cow disease or CJD ( the term for the human form) is on the rise and now medical authorities are saying that 10% to 20% of Alzhiemer deaths may be CJD, the symptoms are so similar.
He correctly warned that the Iraq war was based on the false premise that we would find WMD.
Next is civil unrest near the next presidential election then proof that the feds are reaching for absolute power when 'a Waco type event occurs every month, then it gets worse . . .'. Of course that means that the feds are cracking down on the average Joes (I think that is you and me) who don't like the violations of the 4th Amendment against arbitrary search and seizure.
The complacent among us will try to ignore the darkening picture until 2008 when it gets so bad that everyone realizes that it is Joe Freedom Lover, living in the rural areas vs. Totalitarian Leaders, iron fist rule in the cities.
So, what do you think?
Are we reallly headed that way?
I think yes, based on the negative view of human nature that I have reluctantly adopted over the years.
Riva
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Post by xkamelx on Mar 2, 2004 0:41:05 GMT -5
I have always thought. .. .that based on the direction of socioty, that it is a strong possability that I will live to see the end of this world as we know it. It seems that everything is going down hill, and John Titor's predictions are more then a possability.
At this point though, I don't either believe in his predictions, nor do I disbelieve. I am keeping an open mind. There are other things I consider to be a possability as well, including the bible code, and the comet that is supposed to pass too close for comfort in 2012 I believe it is.
Like I said, either way, I feel I may live to either see the end of this world, or the endof this world as we know it, society, ect.
~Myke
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Post by Riva on Mar 2, 2004 17:20:48 GMT -5
Hey, Myke, you are kinda pessimistic for being such a young man, aren't you ?? I mean, I'm a cynical guy (didn't start out thata way) due to deceptions and betrayals. What do you base your dark views upon ?? Personal experience, study of history, current events or none of the above ?? As a kid, my parents got into the readings of a Texas psychic named Ray Stanford. He interpreted the miraculous events in Garibandal Spain in the early 1900's as a warning of a global disaster. The solar system was supposed to pass through a 'cosmic cloud' that would partially block out the sun's rays and cause titanic lightening induced explosions that would end up killing two thirds of the earth's population. So I am no stranger to doom and gloom predictions. What I look for now is proof. I believe that there are ways to know the future (paranormal powers / time travel) but of all the 'prophets' out there, Who do you believe ?? And, like you, I've read a couple of books on the Bible code and THAT seems have some substance as well. Any correlation between The Code and Titor's predictions And I would have no problem being a 'freedom fighter'. I did fairly well at target practice in the Army and I'm still in pretty good shape (just tightened my belt up another notch - probably @ 35 or 36 in waist now) . . . and I have good footing in mountainous terrain. All this makes me think of the movie 'Red Dawn'. ;D Neither one of us is in this category, but, as he says, lots of folks are 'lazy, self-centered and ignorant of their civic responsiblities'. Also if the powers-that-be put their collective minds together to 'take over', there is little us regular folks could do short of taking up arms ourselves. So the increased awareness that some folks have due to the Titor warnings will make no difference if 'they' want to trampel our civil rights (trade freedom for security). So, why DO you lack optimisism ?? Riva
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Post by xkamelx on Mar 3, 2004 17:00:03 GMT -5
I don't think I lack optimisim, it just seems to be the way things are unfolding. Then again, people thought the end was gonna come in the 1950's due to a Nuclear war with the Soviets.
I think what I'm trying to say is, it won't surprise me either way. It wouldn't surprise me to see humanity go on, and it wouldn't surpise me to see it end.
We live in a very complex time, where technology is surpassing instinct, and greed is surpassing all other impluses. We are definatly moving into the future, a future we created, but are we ready for this future?
John Titor's predictions could very well come true, based on he state of the world today, and that is the mos scariest thing of all. .. .
~Myke
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Post by Riva on Mar 3, 2004 19:27:45 GMT -5
I would have to say that you have hit the nail on the head . . . greed is growing and narrowing human relationships to what one person can GET from another . . . . instead of what they can SHARE OR GIVE to one another.
So maybe you are a realistist ?
Riva
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Post by xkamelx on Mar 3, 2004 19:33:20 GMT -5
Perhaps, but I'm also a dreamer, go figure ;D
I try to keep an open mind about everything, while forming my own beliefs as opposed to eastablished beliefs, unless of course those established beliefs appeal to me more then any other explination.
I believe in alot, yet question everything.
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Post by xkamelx on Mar 25, 2004 3:23:51 GMT -5
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Post by Riva on Mar 25, 2004 14:14:45 GMT -5
That was cool !! Yeah, shame that is was not true. Could have been 'proof' of time travel . . . . or just insider trading. Could you just 'create' a person on paper, assume that idenity and then say that you were from the future ?? A variation of what Tim Robbins did in the movie 'Shawshank Redemption' ?? Riva
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Post by xkamelx on Mar 25, 2004 14:19:03 GMT -5
I would assume it would be possable, although perhaps a bit more difficult these days then it would have been in Tim Robbins' time in Shawshank Redemption. Robbins' character though, was a very clever fellow, I wouldn't know the first thing about creating a fictional person then assuming thier identity.
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Post by Riva on Mar 25, 2004 15:23:39 GMT -5
You are right, it would be quite difficult to do that with today's technology to thoroughly research someone's past.
I guess that the Witness Protection Program can do it on a superficial level but an investigative reporter could tear holes into it.
I guess that my 'fire' has died down a bit about Titor, but I guess that we all will be on the lookout for confirmation of his predictions for a year or so. I really hope we hold civilization together to advance into space, the moon, Mars and beyond. Isn't that what we sci-fi fans want ?? To see at least some of it come true in our lifetimes ??
Riva
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Post by valderra on Apr 6, 2004 4:14:46 GMT -5
I was over on the Proboards Support forum, kinda lurking through threads, and I found one debating the authinticity of thos supposed time travler who showed up in 2000 and be the web. Appearantly he only posted for a while, then disappeared. I've read through his archived posts, and it is an interesting read. Either this guy is a time travler, or his life is a wasted one as he should be hired by hollywood being a sci-fiical consultant for movies, as he is really good. Either way it is fun nevertheless. www.johntitor.com/~Myke Hmmm... I think this time travellor knew the best way to keep people interested in him. I remember when I first started as a new member on one particular board, I told everyone I was from Saturn and expanded on my life, i.e. where I live, what I do in my spare time, where I work, and so on. Very soon, everybody was asking question. And soon enough I invited people to come and visit me on Saturn. There was even one girl who started a thread called "Help me Valderra". Apparently, she had been abducted by aliens while visiting me on my home planet and needed me to rescue her. So all through the thread, we told our "rescue" story. LOL Anyway, that´s what I think this person did - he just knew how to keep people hooked. About time travel... I do believe that it is possible. We have to consider that the time we live by only exists on this very planet. The moment you are in space, time as we know it on Earth, has no meaning. We all know that men who spent sometime in space, noticed that their beard grew much slower... Well, there you have already one example about time differences. Also, there is that famous theory that if it took you 4 months to travel to (sorry, can´t remember which galaxy that was), but anyway, and when you got back to Earth, apparently a hundred years had passed on Earth, while you were only away for 8 months. I personally don´t believe that it is possible to travel back in time but think that we can travel to the future. But others will say differently and this site here is an excellent place to have a look at: freespace.virgin.net/steve.preston/Time.html
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 6, 2004 6:42:34 GMT -5
If I had more free time, I would probably try to do the time travel story, and see how much intrest I can generate. As for time travel. .. . The theory you speak part of Eeinstien's Theroy of Relitivity, almost. I've never heard of time flowing at a different rate in normal space then on Earth, but according to Einstien, the closer you get to the speed of light, the faster time will flow for you. For example, if I were to circle the EArth at the speed of light for 10 minutes, when I came back to Earth, I'd notice that 100 years had past. Or letsm ake it less time, Valderra you and I are at my launch pad, I leave, shoot up to space and travel at the speed of light for 2 minutes, and come back and 2 years have passed. You've stood there for two years waiting on me, as where I've only been gone for two minutes. That amazes me, as I cannot comprehend how time is altered like that. A singularity of an event horizon is another time altering substance. If we both took our space ships up to a blackhole, and I got too close, the gravity would pull me in in a micro second from my point of view, but you could sit there and it may take several months to pull me in from your perspective, as the singularity of the black hole is so powerful, it is warping time. Again, amazing, how does something 'warp time'. Another intersting note on black holes is, in theory, if they are large enough, they can actually rip the fabric of space-time withing it's grip. Rip space-time!! FAcinating. That right there is more then enough to cause temporal anamolies in our continuum. Back to the theroy of relitivity, that is one way to travel through time, which would be a one way trip into the future. According to that, one cannot travel into the past. However, it's been speculated that once we understand qauntum physics more, we may be able to create an artifical singularity, a synthetic black hole if you will, where we will have the power to warp time either way, which would make it possable to travel intothe past. Now upon traveling into the past, we would face many impossable paradoxs. It's interesting to wonder what power drives the forces to prevent these paradoxs, such as the grandfather paradox, or the one that didnt allow the main character of HG Well's Time Machine to save his fiancee. Weather or not traveling to the past creates a paralell universe or not is another thing, I both believe it, and disbelieve it at the same time. As much as i LOVE this stuff, I lack the math skills to really understand it ~Myke
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Post by valderra on Apr 6, 2004 13:15:42 GMT -5
Valderra you and I are at my launch pad, I leave, shoot up to space and travel at the speed of light for 2 minutes, and come back and 2 years have passed. You've stood there for two years waiting on me, as where I've only been gone for two minutes. That amazes me, as I cannot comprehend how time is altered like that. As much as i LOVE this stuff, I lack the math skills to really understand it ~Myke That´s exactly what I was referring to when I talked about this trip to... Andromedar or wherever, that only 8 months pass for a return trip but a hundred years have passed on Earth. And there you already have your time travel. You go into space, hang around there for a mo and come back and voila, many years have passed and you are actually in the future. (Errr... this is a winky one, I hope). But I am no Einstein myself and many of these thesises boggle my mind. If I could have one wish, I would want someone tell me how big the universe is. Again, for us it is impossible to think that there is no end because everything we know has an end. Therefore, we believe that the universe also must have an end. And because it´s continuously shrinking and expanding, we have to ask the question, when is there no more room for the universe to expand and when it shrinks, then there must be an empty space where the universe has been just a moment ago.... Ohhh... all these questions and no answers. It´s sad that I won´t be around if and when they eventually have some answers. *Sigh...*
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 7, 2004 2:14:53 GMT -5
I for one believe that the universe is infinate. I don't see how it can't be. Of course my thinking is 3 dimensional, but if there is an end point to the universe, then what is beyond that barrier? A brick wall? lol.
Perhaps only our known universe is expanding and contracting. When they speak of the big bang, they speak of empty space, at least in my mind. Alot of people thin they are reffering to a viod, nothing, not even space, then what we percieve to be outerspace in the universe was created.
How can something that's infinate contract? Like I said, I think it's only our known universe, and a little ways past that. For all we know groups of galaxies merge together, what we percieve as the universe, then there is as much distance of empty space bettwen one group to the next, as thier is in the width of our known universe, or perhaps there are a limited amount of galaxies in our universe, with the rest being an infinity of empty space.
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Post by xkamelx on May 1, 2004 23:12:02 GMT -5
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