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Post by ConqueringWolf on Apr 16, 2004 11:06:45 GMT -5
It's amazing I have stayed sane thought it all....or have I? lmao ;D
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Post by valderra on Apr 16, 2004 11:49:13 GMT -5
It's amazing I have stayed sane thought it all....or have I? lmao ;D I often ask myself that very same question... LOL
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Post by Lykos on Apr 16, 2004 21:19:54 GMT -5
Okay... truth be told, Speed, I've watched 3 episodes of Enterprise. Perhaps my comments were a bit abrupt and harsh... but I still stand by the majority of what I said. What I saw just didn't impress me at all. Has nothing to do with the acting... I personally think Scott Bakula is an interesting choice, and he works quite well in that capacity... but rather, it has to do with the fact that they seemed... well... boring.
Now, that's not entirely the fault of Enterprise. I blame a lot of that on Voyager going off the deep end in regards to lame plots and story arcs, with some minor exceptions (I wouldn't mind watching "Year of Hell" with the Krenim temporal weapon and stuff, and I liked the two-part episode with the Hirogen hunters and having the Voyager crew in the holodeck recreating a World War II atmosphere, but as I said, those are exceptions). When I heard about Enterprise... sad to say, it was the first Star Trek series that I had no desire to see, not after seeing what Berman and Braga did to Star Trek with the Voyager series.
If we still had a Sci-Fi channel here in my area, I'd welcome the chance to watch Enterprise, if only to make a firmer, more solid judgment on it's own merits and flaws. Sadly, I don't... and given what I've seen, I'd be afraid that the other episodes would be just as lame...
Just my view, though... at least I'm willing to give it a chance to prove it isn't junk.
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 16, 2004 22:46:41 GMT -5
To each thier own though Lykos. Voyager happens to be my favorite Star Trek series. Now, I'll admit, that is due to some personal reasons, as I see that TNG is the better show, but I enjoy watching Voyager more then TNG. Alot of people mock Voyager by saying "the alien of the week", but I find that quote amusing, for if you think about it, it's very logical for them to run into new species all the time. Sure, you have groups like the Kazon, but their territory was HUGE, like they as large of a species as the Klingons, they had a huge territory of space, but Voyager started from where The CAretaker took them, and made one main course, back towards the alpha quadrent. In TOS and TNG the Enterprise was flying all over the Alpha (and Beta?) quadrent(s), to they logicaly would run into species over and over, but since voyager was on a straight path, they ran into all kinds of diferent species, probably more then half of the species of the aplpha quadrent. for Enterprise, I also know alot of people are saying it's destroying canon of TOS. Again, I think it's all how you look at it. If I used TOS as my only source of canon, then I'd have to complain about all the other shows. Remember Romulans from Kirk's time? They basically loooked Human, and Klingons had no ridges on thier foreheads basically. Despite we have digital recording devices in 2004, they still used tapes to record things. I think the point is, TOS was filmed in the 60's almost 40 years ago. Even in this prequel, Enterprise, some things have to be changed to make it half way believable and realistic. AS for the first contact with the Klingons, no one knows a 'why' except the temporal cold war theory. Season 3 has been pretty good. My only complaint is there were a few episodes that didnt advance the Xindi stroyline, but other then that, they've been very mysterious, and intreguing. There were many plot points that seemed to have not made sence, but now that I look back this was excellent writing. Azati Prime cleared alot of things up, like why The Xindi attacked Earth, which explained the mysterious speheres in the Delphic Expanse, and the strange anamaliois nature of the Delphic Expanse. We now realize the Xindi were mere pawns, and we do/may have a more threatning enemy, the Spehere builders. I guess it's all in what you like. Enterprise is very different from the rest of the Trek series, and is taking a new direction, but I think it's a fresh wake up, but that's just me. ~Myke
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Post by valderra on Apr 17, 2004 4:26:42 GMT -5
Alot of people mock Voyager by saying "the alien of the week", but I find that quote amusing, for if you think about it, it's very logical for them to run into new species all the time. Darn... there go my points for answering incorrectly. LOL I think we all like or dislike all the different programmes for our own reasons and think it´s only fair to allow others to have their own opinion of what they think is good or bad. I liked TNG best but also enjoyed Voyager because it had other interesting things to offer that TNG didn´t have. Oh btw, I completely forgot... I LOVED "Q" when he appeared in front of Picard and did his funny things... ;D I wish he had been on more often.
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 17, 2004 4:38:17 GMT -5
I completly agree, and I'm glad people here have different points of view. It makes for interesting conversation Yes Q was cool, I'm waiting for him to appear in Enterprise. He could appear on that show and not mess anything up, for after he is millions if not billions of years old. ~Myke
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Apr 17, 2004 7:48:13 GMT -5
for Enterprise, I also know alot of people are saying it's destroying canon of TOS. Again, I think it's all how you look at it. If I used TOS as my only source of canon, then I'd have to complain about all the other shows. Remember Romulans from Kirk's time? They basically loooked Human, and Klingons had no ridges on thier foreheads basically. Despite we have digital recording devices in 2004, they still used tapes to record things. I think the point is, TOS was filmed in the 60's almost 40 years ago. Even in this prequel, Enterprise, some things have to be changed to make it half way believable and realistic. AS for the first contact with the Klingons, no one knows a 'why' except the temporal cold war theory. ~Myke actually concerning the differences betgween klingons on TOS and TNG and Enterprise....they shouldnt have changed them in enterprise necessarily....because the klingons in TOS and TNG are 2 different subspecies of klingons.....in the DS9 episode Trials and Tibblelations(a great episode....they blend in Worf, Bashir, and O'Brien into original footage of The trouble with Tribbles and its amazing) they have to go back in time to this episode to preserve the timeline. and when bashit and O'Brien see the klingons in this eras they are like WTF? and Worf has this uncomfortable look on his face and says something like"We don't like to talk about this." as in the original subspecies of klingon is an embarassment to the empire. som it has nothing to do with special effects or anything like that really....but back in kirk's time the klingons were actually physically different than the klingons of the future.
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 17, 2004 8:45:16 GMT -5
Yes, I complety agree! The thing is though, they made sence of why the Klingons looked different, as originaly I'm sure the TNG Klingons looked like that because, to be frank, it's a cooler look. I heard somewhere Romulans looked like that (in TOS) due to some genetic altering where they were planning on infiltrating Starfleet.
~Myke
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Post by valderra on Apr 17, 2004 9:24:24 GMT -5
Yes Q was cool, I'm waiting for him to appear in Enterprise. He could appear on that show and not mess anything up, for after he is millions if not billions of years old. ~Myke I think it´s because he is that old, he likes going around messing things up. He is just bored. ;D But I am not sure if I would still like to see "Q" nowadays. He was great when he first started out with TNG but now he is much older and it shows - also, he has become a trifle flappy. Not acceptable for a "Q".
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Apr 17, 2004 9:25:46 GMT -5
well....what i read....and not sure if its an accurate source but it seems to be....is that the prehistoric ancestors of the kilngons were crustaceans and had an exoskeleton and all and thats why in the TNG klingons u get such a pronounced set of forehead ridges....they are leftover from when they used to be crustaceans.
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Post by valderra on Apr 17, 2004 9:32:58 GMT -5
well....what i read....and not sure if its an accurate source but it seems to be....is that the prehistoric ancestors of the kilngons were crustaceans. What? They used to be lobsters and crabs? hahahaha
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Apr 17, 2004 9:40:15 GMT -5
pretty much so...from various things I have read about klingons....I wouldn't say i am 100% accurate on that but i am over 90% sure..lol
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 17, 2004 9:47:05 GMT -5
I've heard something like that before myself.
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Post by valderra on Apr 17, 2004 9:56:00 GMT -5
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Post by voyager on Apr 17, 2004 9:59:50 GMT -5
I completly agree, and I'm glad people here have different points of view. It makes for interesting conversation Yes Q was cool, I'm waiting for him to appear in Enterprise. He could appear on that show and not mess anything up, for after he is millions if not billions of years old. ~Myke If Q shows up on Enterprise then that just proves that they have no idea how to do the show. I got so sick of the crossovers in all the other series. Don't get me wrong, it was nice to see McCoy, Spock, Scotty on TNG, but when Riker, Q, Troi, Barclay, started showing up on DS9 and Voyager it got old because it just proved that they had run out of ideas. Notice I did not mention Worf for DS9, and thats because he fit the story at the time on DS9(war with Klingons), so that crossover is ok, because it went perfect. So far on Enterprise they harmed the show badly with the Borg, when depending on which version you want to believe, either Kirk(V-Ger- machine planet) or Picard( thanks to Q) first met the Borg. Then to have Archer be the first, now come on thats going to far. Don't even get me going on the andorians(which Kirk first met). Enterprise had and still has some potential, but they need to leave the opther shows out of it. I just hope this Xindi plot line ends very soon as its getting way to long, and the way they have filmed eps this season makes me wonder if they are suffering burnout like they did on DS9 in season 6
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