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Post by ConqueringWolf on Apr 17, 2004 10:04:28 GMT -5
The quick evolution theory fits most with what I have heard....and it would also seem to fit the DS9 episode where they ask Worf about it too. he seemed "embarassed" about the no ridge klingons which the quick evolution theory says is how klingons feel about the gene that takes away their ridges...
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Post by valderra on Apr 17, 2004 10:06:05 GMT -5
If Q shows up on Enterprise then that just proves that they have no idea how to do the show. I got so sick of the crossovers in all the other series. Don't get me wrong, it was nice to see McCoy, Spock, Scotty on TNG, but when Riker, Q, Troi, Barclay, started showing up on DS9 and Voyager it got old because it just proved that they had run out of ideas. Not forgetting Chief Engineer Miles O´Brien who first served under Picard and later went over to DS9... But I actually liked him. ;D
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 17, 2004 10:07:27 GMT -5
If Q shows up on Enterprise then that just proves that they have no idea how to do the show. I got so sick of the crossovers in all the other series. Don't get me wrong, it was nice to see McCoy, Spock, Scotty on TNG, but when Riker, Q, Troi, Barclay, started showing up on DS9 and Voyager it got old because it just proved that they had run out of ideas. Notice I did not mention Worf for DS9, and thats because he fit the story at the time on DS9(war with Klingons), so that crossover is ok, because it went perfect. So far on Enterprise they harmed the show badly with the Borg, when depending on which version you want to believe, either Kirk(V-Ger- machine planet) or Picard( thanks to Q) first met the Borg. Then to have Archer be the first, now come on thats going to far. Don't even get me going on the andorians(which Kirk first met). Enterprise had and still has some potential, but they need to leave the opther shows out of it. I just hope this Xindi plot line ends very soon as its getting way to long, and the way they have filmed eps this season makes me wonder if they are suffering burnout like they did on DS9 in season 6 See I feel the exact opposite Mike, I like crossovers, given they don't happen every other show. Once in a while I think they are cool, because it kind of brings all of the stories together, makes it seem like it is in one universe. As for the Borg, I liked the V'ger theory. Who knows though, perhaps Archer met them due to some time of temporal after effect of First Contact, even though that makes no sence. The Borg on Enterprise confuses me as well. I've never seen that episode, do you remember the title of it? ~Myke
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 17, 2004 10:10:34 GMT -5
Not forgetting Chief Engineer Miles O´Brien who first served under Picard and later went over to DS9... But I actually liked him. ;D I liked o'Brein as well. Colm Meany is a good actor in my opinion, and it was nice to see him used right on DS9, he had such little screen time on TNG, except for a few episodes. ~Myke
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Post by voyager on Apr 17, 2004 10:13:51 GMT -5
I have no problem with crossovers Myke, its just when the crossovers become normal it loses its appeal.
Q was a nice touch on Voyager, but when he came back 4 more times it got to be less appealing.
Thats why crossovers need to be held to a minimum. If Q were to goto Enterprise, it would throw basically everything that was known already out of whack, of course on Enterprise they have done that twice now.
Right now to me, it seems that Starfleet Command has some ultra secret dungeon that not even anyone in the 24th Century knows about, because they have no mention of Archer meeting up with the borg, or the Borg that were frozen in Alaska, or Archer meeting up with the andorians, yet Starfleet history shows Kirk meeting the Andorians, and Picard introducing the Borg
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Post by valderra on Apr 17, 2004 10:14:03 GMT -5
I liked o'Brein as well. Colm Meany is a good actor in my opinion, and it was nice to see him used right on DS9, he had such little screen time on TNG, except for a few episodes. ~Myke That´s true... and most of the time, when he was seen on TNG, he didn´t even have any lines. So he must have been happy as punch to get a propper part with DS9. And I also don´t mind seeing old faces in new Star Trek episodes, as long they fit in.
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Post by voyager on Apr 17, 2004 10:18:32 GMT -5
Fit in yes, but as crossovers and having eps dedicated to them is stupid.
It made me mad to see entire eps of Voyager dedicated to Barclay's obsession with Voyager(they did it twice).
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 17, 2004 10:30:28 GMT -5
I do see your point, I agree 'if they fit'. I remember those Barcley episodes, once he was w/ Deanna and the other wasnt he on the holodeck with the Doctor?
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Post by voyager on Apr 17, 2004 10:46:21 GMT -5
Once he was with Deanna trying to get Pathfinder going(which I had no prob with as it fit)
The other he lived on the holodeck Voyager program continually
He was in another few eps as well, but hose were not entirally dedicated to him like the one with the holodeck
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Apr 17, 2004 17:05:13 GMT -5
I liked the barclay episodes because he was the one responsible for getting in touch with Voyager to begin with....after disobeying orders....he was just as much a part of Voyager as TNg IMO. I also liked Q because some of the best Q episodes IMO were the Q war....where they portrayed everything in civil war times. and then Q having a son and leaving him with janeway to teach him how to not be a little snot....I thought they were all great episodes. and since Q is omnipotent pretty much why not have him crossover to all the different series....it just makes sense IMO.
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Post by Lykos on Apr 17, 2004 18:31:29 GMT -5
"Alien of the week"... seems I've heard that phrase ued before with Star Trek before it was used on Voyager. Which brings me to voyager... who has a point. The Borg's first contact is now 22nd century instead of mid-24th century, and yet somehow Archer and crew never report it? I find that to be unlikely... Which, in turn, leads me to the Borg themselves. As a race, they're an interesting bunch. TNG showed them as being very powerful because of the assimilation of countless worlds, beings and technologies. I like that, it's cool... until Voyager. Then they became nothing more than a contrived plot device who's suddenly finding themselves getting kicked around by Species 8472... who now happens to be the big bully on the block. I always found it contrived that, in order to ensure that Voyager survived the Delta Quadrant, they had to find a way through the Borg. Species 8472 provided an excuse, nothing more... if they'd really wanted to make use of Species 8472, they'd have done more than they did with it. The Borg, despite it being their home turf, became contrived as an alien nemesis to Starfleet. I think that's a shame. But, as was said, to each their own...
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Post by xkamelx on Apr 18, 2004 16:14:04 GMT -5
I will agree with you on that Lykos. I too do not like the fact that the borg went from a force to be reconed with, to as powerful as any other given species. I can understand a Romulan warbird not getting the best of the Enterprise D or E, but 3 Borg cubes should have been able to destroy Voyager.
I remember when one cube caused so much destruction in the battle of Wolf359, and now it seems one Cube is vulnerable to one Federation ship.
I understand Star Trek is about humanity, and all of that, but I dont think humanity has to be supermen. I dont see anything wrong with leaving the borg more powerful then Starfleet and the Federation. It makes for more compelling TV when the borg arrives.
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Post by Ember on May 6, 2004 13:14:10 GMT -5
I voted DS9. I'm actually watching them the episodes in order on DVD right now. lol TNG comes in a close second.
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Post by voyager on May 6, 2004 13:21:40 GMT -5
Ok I was rewatching some later Borg eps with my girl 7 of 9.
I can understand why Voyager had a easy time thanks to her help numerous times, but the 3rd season she was not helping them yet. And I find it odd that Janeway had to tell the borg how to deal with 8472, yet the Borg were all powerful and couldn't come up with a way to destroy 8472? No way.
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Post by xkamelx on May 6, 2004 13:56:48 GMT -5
I voted DS9. I'm actually watching them the episodes in order on DVD right now. lol TNG comes in a close second. Great series Ember, so far, I've only seen up to towards t he end of season 2, and I love it. I missed it's initial run, but am watching them everynight on Spike TV. As good as the show is thus far, I know it only gets better, so I'm quite excited. Ok I was rewatching some later Borg eps with my girl 7 of 9. I can understand why Voyager had a easy time thanks to her help numerous times, but the 3rd season she was not helping them yet. And I find it odd that Janeway had to tell the borg how to deal with 8472, yet the Borg were all powerful and couldn't come up with a way to destroy 8472? No way. I guess we can figure it down to human intuition, something the Borg really dosent possess. You make a good point, a real good one, but keep in mind Janeway does know things the Borg dont, and did Kes give them a heads up on weapons in temporal flux in the epeisode where she was travelling back though time? Remember, Kes wok up as an older woman, and then jumped like 8 times, all the way back to her birth? She did give them a heads up on weapons in temporal displacment such as Species 8472.
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