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Post by voyager on Nov 29, 2004 20:34:03 GMT -5
I think the only way to stop the Borg, is to completly wipe them out. They are very talented at regeneration, and I expect sooner or later they will launch an assult on The Federation, one the size of the assult by the Dominion. The only reason the Federation won the Dominion War, was because of the mistakes of the Dominion, and Cardassia turning against them. Thier faith in their new Cardassia allies, and they way they treated them towards the end was thier fatal mistake. I don't see the Borg making any mistakes like that, and as hard as it is to destroy one Cube (seems more diffuicult for a fleet of Federation ships to destroy one cube in the Alpha quadrent then it did for one small USS Voyager to destroy on in the Delta quadrent), I am not so sure the Federation could destroy a fllet of cubes. For thier technology, I am sure they would be more advanced. Ablative Armor would likely be on all ships by this time, and maybe even quantum sheilding, allowing ships to phase in and out of our space time continioum to protect thierselves against weapons. There are alot of possiblilities, and could be alot of fun! The thing is, Voyager had the one thing that the entire alpha quadrant never had, and that was a lifelong drone(7 of 9) returned to humanity Myke. Without her, I guarentee that Voyager would have been assimilated many times over. Also Kes did fling them out of known Borg space as well when she left. Although Picard is in the alpha quadrant and probably regarded as the know it all on the borg in the quadrant, he did not have the experiances and stuff that 7 had and gave to aide Janeway against the Borg
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Post by Tobbles on Dec 3, 2004 12:21:25 GMT -5
Well why don't the borg just send a fleet of ships. They complain they can't assmilate Earth they say they have tried before. But they only send one cube no wonder they can't assmilate Earth. However they send 2 cubes and a diamond to a planet in the delta quadrant( voyager episode) so why don't they do it with Earth then everyones a borg. Horay to them not to us.
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Post by xkamelx on Dec 3, 2004 19:16:41 GMT -5
I think they will send a fleet on the next attack.
They underestimated The Federation in the battle of Wolf 359. They did believe we had more power then we really did, thanks to Q jettosing the Enterprise D some 40,000 lightears in a second, in the first Federation/Borg encounter. They assimilated Picard purposly to learn the Federation secrets. Still yet, the underestimated us.
Then, during the second attack, they had the time machine with the nano probes, to assimilate us from the past, but alas that failed too.
Then, they had all of those problems with Voyager in the Delta Quadrent, which even further increased their suspicions of our power.
So I do think the next attack will be a fleet of cubes, they just have a tendancy to underestimate us.
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Post by syborg on May 11, 2005 10:27:31 GMT -5
The upgrades Voyager was given at the end of the series should be on all Federation ships. In the absence of great sci fi stories, such a series would be a flop like Enterprise. Maybe set Tom Clancy novels in the Star Trek universe could be an idea.
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Post by PARTYBOY on May 16, 2005 10:57:06 GMT -5
If they make a 25th century series that could make it have an alien captain and a human first officer. It could still be a starfleet ship just not having a human captian. Well think about it ;D
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Post by syborg on Jun 5, 2005 11:10:41 GMT -5
Or the Borg would eventually realise assimilation is futile, so a Borg queen be made the captain of a Federation starship. Humans for the most part be spending their time in holodecks which would be many times more advanced than the on the TNG Enterprise. The Borg queen would also remain in contact with The Collective informing about new planets but with the directive never to assimilate them. There would be several androids like Data with no ranks, used as soldiers and for maintaining the ship.
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 9, 2005 11:35:23 GMT -5
The upgrades Voyager was given at the end of the series should be on all Federation ships. In the absence of great sci fi stories, such a series would be a flop like Enterprise. Maybe set Tom Clancy novels in the Star Trek universe could be an idea. Starfleet will never allow that technology because Janeway had acquired technology from the future, and Starfleet would be afraid of contaminating the timeline.
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Post by syborg on Jun 15, 2005 11:14:53 GMT -5
The upgrades Voyager was given at the end of the series should be on all Federation ships. In the absence of great sci fi stories, such a series would be a flop like Enterprise. Maybe set Tom Clancy novels in the Star Trek universe could be an idea. Starfleet will never allow that technology because Janeway had acquired technology from the future, and Starfleet would be afraid of contaminating the timeline. Without those upgrades Voyager would never have returned to the Alpha Quadrant. Janeway and her crew know all about it. Or will their memories be erased and the upgrades be destroyred. In what way would the timeline be damaged if Starfleet acquires these upgrades?
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 16, 2005 14:42:38 GMT -5
I think the difference between Data and all other androids, is that Data is actually alive. He is a sentient being, and damn near a human being. It's one thing to create a machine, but it's another to create one that is alive. Voyager's Doctor was alive too I think, AI like Data, but I think that was a random fluke, as not all EMH's were sentient like the doc. Not all EMH's are also left on for years at a time either Myke. Also not every EMH also has the power to transfer from the sickbay to the Holodeck and be allowed to expand as well. Remember at one time, the Doctor almost was lost because he had ran way over the maount of time the program was built to last. As far as Data and Robots of today, when a Robot walks down the street and carries on a conversation with me like in "I, Robot", then robots will be taken seriously. The 21st century robots that we have now, cannot go without human intervention at all. Agreed. However I still like to think The Doctor was a one of a kind, and not all EMH's would gain sentience if left on for years like our Doc. Starfleet will never allow that technology because Janeway had acquired technology from the future, and Starfleet would be afraid of contaminating the timeline. Without those upgrades Voyager would never have returned to the Alpha Quadrant. Janeway and her crew know all about it. Or will their memories be erased and the upgrades be destroyred. In what way would the timeline be damaged if Starfleet acquires these upgrades? Janeway knew about it yes, she practically gave herself the technology. She accepted it after she learned what the future would hold if she had not accepted it from her future self. According to Starfleet, what she did was wrong, it violated the Temporal Directive. Obviously she went unpunished, as she was an Admiral in Nemesis. I do not think Starfleet is in the habit of wiping memories. As for how it would contaminate the timeline... Had Starfleet used that technology on all of their ships, they would be using technology prematurely. In this, it would disrupt their natural flow of evolution. Imagine if Picard went back to the year 1850, and gave the people there the understanding, and the technology of warp drive, and interstellar travel. The evens of Zephram Cochran would have never unfolded, all of Kirk's adventures would have been different, if Kirk eve existed as a result of the altered past. Think of this, because of Picard we get warp drive in 1850. Kirks' great great great great great great grandfather could be on a mission near Romulan space, encounter a Warbird, and be killed, thus Kirk would never have existed because in the original timeline, Kirk;s' ancestor may have been a farmer in Iowa, living a peaceful life and dying of old age after he had kids, not dying in Romulan space because Picard altered (contaminated) the timeline.
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Post by syborg on Jun 18, 2005 11:52:43 GMT -5
The Admiral Janeway who gave the upgrades was the one had made the long journey she had avoided confronting the Borg, she obviously was from a parallel universe. This Admiral Janeway knew the mistake she had made and gave Captain Janeway a chance to escape the Delta Quadrant using upgrades. Admiral Janeway also offered herself as bait to the Borg, injected with the biological weapon developed from Icheb's blood. When the Borg queen tried to assimilate Admiral Janeway they assimilated the disease as well. The Borgs were dying while chasing Voyager and their weapons had no effect on Voyager because of the upgrades. The Voyager returned to the Alpha quadrant as a completely transformed ship. Captain Janeway brought powerful information to the Federation. Even if the upgrades are ignored the biological weapon from the Delta Quadrant was not an upgrade it was a discovery and a very powerful one. It would be ridiculous for Starfleet not to accept such technology. When Picard could travel way back to the time to enable First Contact with the Vulcans, his ship would also be able to travel back further back in the past. Introduced new technology in that era, he would have have not gone back in time he would have gone back to a parallel universe where people in the 1850s would have begun travelling in space. This would have nothing to do with adventures of Captain Archer, Kirk and Picard. The events would be taking place in a parallel universe.
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Post by Tobbles on Jun 18, 2005 12:11:55 GMT -5
The Admiral Janeway who gave the upgrades was the one had made the long journey she had avoided confronting the Borg, she obviously was from a parallel universe. This Admiral Janeway knew the mistake she had made and gave Captain Janeway a chance to escape the Delta Quadrant using upgrades. Admiral Janeway also offered herself as bait to the Borg, injected with the biological weapon developed from Icheb's blood. When the Borg queen tried to assimilate Admiral Janeway they assimilated the disease as well. The Borgs were dying while chasing Voyager and their weapons had no effect on Voyager because of the upgrades. The Voyager returned to the Alpha quadrant as a completely transformed ship. Captain Janeway brought powerful information to the Federation. Even if the upgrades are ignored the biological weapon from the Delta Quadrant was not an upgrade it was a discovery and a very powerful one. It would be ridiculous for Starfleet not to accept such technology. When Picard could travel way back to the time to enable First Contact with the Vulcans, his ship would also be able to travel back further back in the past. Introduced new technology in that era, he would have have not gone back in time he would have gone back to a parallel universe where people in the 1850s would have begun travelling in space. This would have nothing to do with adventures of Captain Archer, Kirk and Picard. The events would be taking place in a parallel universe. Its not called parallel universe its called being in a different part of time.
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 18, 2005 13:28:37 GMT -5
The Admiral Janeway who gave the upgrades was the one had made the long journey she had avoided confronting the Borg, she obviously was from a parallel universe. This Admiral Janeway knew the mistake she had made and gave Captain Janeway a chance to escape the Delta Quadrant using upgrades. Admiral Janeway also offered herself as bait to the Borg, injected with the biological weapon developed from Icheb's blood. When the Borg queen tried to assimilate Admiral Janeway they assimilated the disease as well. The Borgs were dying while chasing Voyager and their weapons had no effect on Voyager because of the upgrades. The Voyager returned to the Alpha quadrant as a completely transformed ship. Captain Janeway brought powerful information to the Federation. Even if the upgrades are ignored the biological weapon from the Delta Quadrant was not an upgrade it was a discovery and a very powerful one. It would be ridiculous for Starfleet not to accept such technology. When Picard could travel way back to the time to enable First Contact with the Vulcans, his ship would also be able to travel back further back in the past. Introduced new technology in that era, he would have have not gone back in time he would have gone back to a parallel universe where people in the 1850s would have begun travelling in space. This would have nothing to do with adventures of Captain Archer, Kirk and Picard. The events would be taking place in a parallel universe. That all depends on which theories you believe according to time travel. One theory is if you change something in the past, like Admiral Janeway did, it opens up a whole new universe for those events to unfold. The other is, if you change something, it effects the current timeline, current dimension. If Admrial Janeway was from another dimesion/universe, I do not believe she would have come back to save Voyager. She would not have been saving those she knew. There is a thread on this, I'll try finding it for you.
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Post by xkamelx on Jun 18, 2005 13:37:45 GMT -5
I can't seem to locate the thread I had in mind, but this is a close one. odds.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=startrek&action=display&thread=1077068956&page=1It seems you already found it. I do not believe Admiral Janeway was from a parallel dimension. If she was, why risk her life, and give her life to save the Chakotay, Seven, and Tuvok of another dimension? Would Miles O'Brien and Ben Sisko give their lives to save the Julian Bashir of the Mirror Universe? Not likely. I wouldn't go to another dimension and give my life to save a friend there. Maybe my friend here, but not in another dimension. I believe Admiral Janeway was in fact the same Janeway from our dimension.
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Post by syborg on Jun 19, 2005 10:10:42 GMT -5
But Admiral Janeway did say she had ignored the opportunity of going through that area where the Borg were and took the long journey and she travelled 30 years to reach the Alpha Quadrant. Most of the people who comprised of the crew had died on the way. By changing circumstances she helped Captain Janeway get back earlier. There was an episode in two Voyagers came across eachother, one self desctructed to save the other. So one Captain Janeway was killed the other one survived. It is not Captain Janeway's fault that she got back earlier with advanced technology. Captain Janeway had a choice stay in the Delta Quadrant, declined Admiral Janeway's offer and continue travelling for the next 30 years in the Delta Quadrant. But when a safe short cut was being offered - is there any reason to ignore it?
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Post by voyager on Jun 19, 2005 10:30:03 GMT -5
Yeah but that occured because of a temporal anomalie they had encountered.
She did ignore it originally. It wasn't until they had found a way to "have the cake and eat it to" that they took the shortcut. Originally she had boycotted the idea, and then Admiral Janeway went and told others about what was going to happen, and they even still supported Captain Janeway over Admiral Janeway. It was then that Admiral Janeway realized that the crew was loyal to Captain Janeway and if she had decided to take the long run, then so be it.
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