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Post by Straga on Mar 8, 2005 19:59:07 GMT -5
Okay I'll have to admit that the scene in Aliens with the facehuggers was brilliant, in all aspects James Cameron really pulled off a suspenceful heart stopping scene. Maybe it is because I have been raised with movies such as these that I didn't really think the alien itself was scary, but the concept of something bursting it's way out of your chest (no matter what it looks like) is terifying, because you can't do anything about it, also the facehugger itself isn't a very daunting creature, howeevr the thought of being trapped in a web of secreted resin with a hatching egg in front of you as Newt was is very frightening, I think being scared is more a feeling of inescapable circumstance than being next to a slimy monster. but then everyone has their own form of fear too.
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Post by oblivion on Mar 8, 2005 22:43:54 GMT -5
As someone old enough to have seen the first Alien in the theater I have to say that the movie scared the everlovin' bejesus out of me. This was the most realistic SF-Horror film I'd ever seen at the time. Everything about the movie seemed real. The grittiness of the ship completely pulled me into the scenes. I swear I could smell dirty socks and stale armpits when I watched that movie. The aliens were totally different from bad-guy aliens in earlier SF movies. Not an advanced civilization rolling over us for unknown and unknowable reasons. No, not at all. A parasitic monster that could survive and thrive on a physiology it had never before even encountered.
I was CONVINCED at the end of the movie that the cat had been parasitized and that Ripley (and Earth) were next. Cold chills.
Once a movie like that is done, once you've been exposed and "innoculated" the concept can never be as scary again. But that initial fear and revulsion -- I'll never forget it.
Something else more realistic and even more scary may hit the theatres this summer. But, Alien maxed my scare-odometer. I have avoided ANY movies that might be as nightmarish (or more) since then. I watched Aliens. But I didn't have the stomach for the last two movies. And Predator? Fuggedaboudit!
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Post by xkamelx on Mar 10, 2005 15:07:23 GMT -5
You both have very good points. When I was a young kid, I first watched Alien, and it for me as well was unlike anything I had ever seen before. The fact that it appeared to be a dumb animal scared me more then if it was an intelligent being. I was used to intelligent beings killing people, but dumb animals wa something new to me.
By the time I watched Aliens, not many movies scared me anymore. I think I was 7 years old when it came out. It was quite suspensful to me in the theatres, but by the time it came out on VHS, I was watching it 100 times a week it seemed, no longer scared by it in the least.
It wasn't until I was much older, and wiser, that I went back and realized just how scary they really are. They don't scare me in the sense that I'm afraid to turn the lights out, but when I imagine myself being there, or imagine a facehugger running after me, it gives me the creeps, ecspecially in the middle of the night where one could be sitting in a dark corner watching me. ;D
Straga, you mentioned being trapped, like Newt and that one colonist was being the fear factor. I'd have to agree. Looking back, they were all basically trapped, and subconciously that may be why it wa so scary. In Alien, they were trapped on the Cargo ship (I gotget it's name).
In the end, Riply was in her escape shuttle, and looked over and saw the Alien sleeping. That was pretty scary, knowing that if it woke up fully, and saw her, there wasn't anything she could do about it. That is true fear.
In Aliens, thier transport ship was destroyed, and they were stuck on LV-426, with no escape. They were also stcuk in the coumpound, as there would be no shelter from the aliens on the surface.
One thing that spooked me was when Bishop opened a hole in that tunnle/shaft, and was heading for the remote uplink place. Imgane being in that tunnle, and seeing an alien at the end of it heading right towards you... ;D
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Post by Straga on Mar 11, 2005 18:46:31 GMT -5
Well I don't know if I would actually call the alien a 'dumb animal', because on alien the story clearly stated that the aliens themselves had come in a ship, the ship was there, so they had to have some form of intelligent life, also they survived that long on nothing, which means they would have to have some kind of rationalistic prowess. Plus on LV-426 when Riply's character confronted the queen there was obviously a pattern of monarchy, and communication, because the queen backed off her gaurds before dealing Riply a dealier hand by hatching the eggs before Riply could get away.
So I think they were intelligent, in a new way that hasn't really been explained though, not really mindless creatures. About being trapped, that is the one reason why I like the Alien movie better than a lot of other horror/sci-fi films, the fact that every main character in each of the movie just wanted to get away there were no Hollywood badass remarks of "Lets go get 'em!" or "He won't hurt me, I'm the hero." lol. They were fighting for their lives, to get away, not to try to take out the creature to look tough, it was a more brilliant premis of honor, they were smarter heros because they wanted to survive, that was all, not look good.
And I have to agree, every time I watch that seen, no matter how many times I've seen it before, I still think that an Alien will pop up at the end of that pipe, and that would be the end of Bishop, who by the way was one of my favorite characters from the second and third alien movies, being an andriod in the second and them coming back for the third and having Lance Henriksen play his maker was brilliant! ;D
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Post by Tobbles on Mar 12, 2005 14:40:03 GMT -5
By the way. What do aliens actaully eat? Do they eat dead bodies? I just don't know. Can someone please tell me.
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Post by Straga on Mar 13, 2005 20:04:54 GMT -5
Well I don't think anyone knows for sure, in the third one I think the story was meant to let the audiences know that they ate any living thing, but all of the films leading up to that one made them not kill their prey because they needed living bodys for breeding purposes, so nobody is really sure if the alien itself eats or not, which would make sence, what with it being built for all differen't terains it shouldn't have to eat, because it might not find the substance it needs on other planets, and it did survive through the first, second and forth movies without eating, I supposed the scientists should have said something about that on the forth one but they didn't...
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Post by ZERO on Mar 14, 2005 2:28:45 GMT -5
What I never understand about these movies is how come some times the aliens cocoon, and other times they blow the human's heads in half with their tongue-thingy. Still, awsome I reckon the aliens are the most clever alienic design ever, it's not razzmatas, it's pure genius. When I first saw the alien movies I had seen other alien movies like The Thing, etc, and the aliens were designed to look scary, evil, all super-awsome and stuff etc. The aliens in these movies are just plain awsome! They don't even need to move to be scary!! The drool, the mouth, the fact that they practially have no eyes, it's just awsome! And the queen alien... "Get away from her you BITCH!"
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Post by xkamelx on Mar 15, 2005 19:03:01 GMT -5
Well I don't know if I would actually call the alien a 'dumb animal', because on alien the story clearly stated that the aliens themselves had come in a ship, the ship was there, so they had to have some form of intelligent life, also they survived that long on nothing, which means they would have to have some kind of rationalistic prowess. Plus on LV-426 when Riply's character confronted the queen there was obviously a pattern of monarchy, and communication, because the queen backed off her gaurds before dealing Riply a dealier hand by hatching the eggs before Riply could get away. So I think they were intelligent, in a new way that hasn't really been explained though, not really mindless creatures. When I say dumb animal, I mean they are not intelligent to the point where they are going to start an industrial society anytime soon. They are not going to build houses and hold down jobs. I'd guess they have the intelligence of a dolphin, which is extremely intelligent, animal wise, but they are not an intelligent race such as Humans. The space ship they arrived on on LV-426, I would assume would be the ship of another race, whome the Aliens all but destroyed before the ship crashed as a result of no one to pilot it. Their pattern of a monarchy always reminded me of bees, or a similiar insect species. They have the queen, the workers, and the breeders. What I never understand about these movies is how come some times the aliens cocoon, and other times they blow the human's heads in half with their tongue-thingy. Still, awsome This is just a guess, but sometimes the aliens may feel like they are in danger, or the queen may be in danger, and thier objective is to kill. Others, like when that warrior alien grabbed Newt, may feel no danger at all, so proceeded to take her back for cacooning.
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Post by Jewells on Mar 17, 2005 20:18:09 GMT -5
I think in the last one that Ripley made the comment that the aliens would eventualy come after them because "they were where the meat was" implying that the Aliens would hunt them for eating eventualy. And for that matter why could they not eat the bodies after the offspring had been " Born"? Seems like a waste of 'meat' to me...from their point of view of course. ;D
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Post by Oliver on Sept 30, 2005 5:50:39 GMT -5
Lol, I never thought of it that way. The Alien movies aren't really movies that make you think about things like that, they're not mind-moving movies, you just watch them, enjoy them, maybe buy them on DVD and enjoy them again. I've been scouring around in my dad's old book shelves, and I discovered a book about the making of Alien. Shees, they left out so much!
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Post by flame2010 on Feb 7, 2006 21:31:54 GMT -5
Lol, I never thought of it that way. The Alien movies aren't really movies that make you think about things like that, they're not mind-moving movies, you just watch them, enjoy them, maybe buy them on DVD and enjoy them again. I've been scouring around in my dad's old book shelves, and I discovered a book about the making of Alien. Shees, they left out so much! What di they leave out
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Post by 0 of 0 on Feb 8, 2006 20:36:34 GMT -5
What was the point of making Alien 4?
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Post by 0 of 0 on Feb 8, 2006 20:39:23 GMT -5
I have a ques tion. Where did the Aliens originate from? I know it was from that alien ship that was on LV-426, but where?
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Post by mechmaster1 on Feb 19, 2006 16:29:49 GMT -5
I have a ques tion. Where did the Aliens originate from? I know it was from that alien ship that was on LV-426, but where? That is a good question, hudsonwhiner. I have wondered about that myself, for years. Exactly where did that Dark & Mysterious Extraterrestrial Craft come from? It probably came from a planet somewhat similar to the 1 featured on the movie DUNE (1984) , but perhaps much more advanced and EXTREMELY bizarre, without a doubt. Anyway, I voted for the first two ALIEN movies as my favorites, hands down. I mean, one obviously has to see the first ALIEN movie to even understand ALIENS, ALIEN 3 and ALIEN: RESURRECTION. In ALIEN, we learned how Humans first discovered those parasitic eggs, and what they basically do. I could not get over the awe and splendor of that wierd derelict ship, or jockey ship, as many would call it, that Kane, Dallas and Lambert discovered crashed in the mountains. I am sure that vessel was decades old. The remains of that pilot reminded me of an elephant almost. Let us not forget that vast, dark storage tunnel that Kane first discovered all of those eggs - before he himself got infected. That place was HUGE. As bad as it was, I thought that the scene showing the baby alien coming out of Kane's chest was WELL DONE. All of that faked blood splattered on the crew, without their even knowing. Also, I liked the confrontation between the remaining crew members and Ashe - the guy that turns out to be an android. Ever since Ashe stopped Parker from stabbing the alien hatchling on the dinner table when Kane died, I began to think that Ashe was just plain wicked. I was glad that Parker toasted his tail. I happen to have the special edition of ALIENS. Man, it was sweet. From it, I learned that Ellen Ripley HAD a daughter, who grew old and died 2 years before her mother returned home. (What a shame. ) The movie then focused on Hadley's Hope, that colony on LV-426 - before it became infested with those nasty bugs. It had scenes of people inside the complex going here and there, and speculating on the rumors of a certain discovery... Also, Newt - the little girl that Ripley & the Space Marines end up rescuing - is seen with her parents and her brother. They got out to that SAME, strange jockey ship that had crashed in the moutains, and this time, Newt's father ends up being infected. Thus begins all of the real alien drama on that planet's colony. After Ripley, Burke, Newt, Bishop and the remaining Marines set up shop in an office after their first battle with those bugs, they activate a self-defense mechanism. Any strange object that came within a certain perimeter was pulverized by some fully automatic weapons. MAN, THAT MESS WAS SWEET! The hallways became an awessome shooting gallery as some aliens tried to find any Humans hanging around. I enjoyed hearing them screamed as they got shot & killed. That scene alone was my favorite scene on ALIENS. Like in the first movie, there was just so much tension throughout ALIENS. It would have had me going to the bathroom a lot. Also, when Bishop and Ripley theorize about the possibility of a queen's existence at the colony, Private Hudson (yes, your man, hudsonwhiner) says that she probably runs the whole show of bugs, and that she is badda**. Ripley seemed to hold her own very well while rescuing Newt before Hadley's Hope blew up, and while fighting the Queen Alien on board the Sulocco. The Nostromo, Sulucco and U. S. S. Aruega were all great ships, too. However, I did not care too much for ALIEN 3 or ALIEN: RESURRECTION, though. Ripley died in 3, and I really did not see the point of scientifically bringing her back in RESURRECTION. ALL of those scientists were so OBSESSED with studying that alien; they caused more problems than it was worth. I do have 1 question, though about ALIEN 3, though: When did Ripley get infected? Was it when she was sleeping in the Sulucco? How come the facehugger was not still on her face when she landed on Florina, the prison planet? Also, how were the scientists able to clone her in ALIEN: RESURRECTION? After all, in ALIEN 3, while the queen alien was hatching, Ripleys body went soaring down to the firepit. Did the scientists find some blood of her somewhere? I would like to know the answers to these questions. Are there any diagrams and/or models of that derelict extraterrestrial craft in ALIEN available? I know that H. R. Giger has a hand in its design, so I was wondering if his company was selling anything that resembled or referenced that bizarre craft. That was the wierdest yet most spectacular spacecraft that I have ever witnessed. Also, is it true that there is an FIFTH ALIEN movie in the making? Why, what is the point? What is the new ALIEN movie going to be about? Like I said, if anyone can answer any of these questions, then please let me know something as soon as possible. One can send a response to my also. Thank you very much. P. S. If any of you want to talk any more about Aliens and Predators, just log on to Lonely Autja . It is a great forum.
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Post by 0 of 0 on Feb 23, 2006 22:43:45 GMT -5
For Alien 3, I think they were trying to go back to the original roots of the films. Just like in Alien, we have a group of people stranded, unprepaired, and a single alien terrorizing them, as opposed to Aliens where we had a platoon of Marines armed to the teeth with weapons. And yes, Hicks was a graet character. It would have beeb better if Newt and Hicks survived between movies, and if tey had to die, die in Alien 3, that would have been much more dramatic, to see them dying in the movie, as opposed to finding out they were killed between films. The 2nd one, Aliens is still my favorite though! Still the planet that Ripley crashes on is a prison planet and should have better guards with guns.
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