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Post by oblivion on Dec 21, 2004 16:27:31 GMT -5
Borrowing a page from the Star Trek forum, I'll post photos of SG1 and Atlantis characters on a weekly basis for discussion. In thinking about the first minutes of the pilot, it wasn't difficult to pick the first character... Apophis His host was possibly one of the first humans to see a Goa'uld starship ten thousand years ago. A human host, living a ten thousand year nightmare as everything and everyone he knew was lost to time. A Goa'uld of immense age and arrogance, brought to his knees by the insurrection of his first prime and the resulting feeding-frenzy of the other System Lords. Tortured, disfigured, sent to Hell, yet ever crafty and wily, he managed a comeback again and again. Underestimated by friend(?) and foe alike, Apophis never said never.
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Post by oblivion on Dec 27, 2004 15:23:00 GMT -5
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Post by oblivion on Jan 4, 2005 2:11:49 GMT -5
I'm working my way through the back seasons and it seems like during late season 4 and early season 5 Anderson was kind of playing an O'Neill caricature. His dialog, facial expressions, etc are completely predictable and sort of lifeless. Given that he thinks Teal'c died, they've been stranded over 100 years from home-space, Apophis followed them in a bigger, badder ship, and then the replicators have taken over the ship somehow I'd expect him to CARE a little more.
There were some FANTASTIC episodes in early season 4. The groundhog day epi, the superhero armband epi, the episode where an apparent nut case actually turns out to be from a different planet, the episode where they realize they made a terrible alliance ten years earlier and give their lives to get a message back to their earlier selves to prevent contacting the planet via stargate. I hope things pick up later in season 5.
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Post by Chris3123 on Jan 11, 2005 16:49:50 GMT -5
"The groundhog day epi" Window of Opportunity. My favorite! ;D "...so that's how I feel about it. What do you think?" What was he talking about anyway. "the superhero armband epi" Upgrades "the episode where an apparent nut case actually turns out to be from a different planet" Point of No Return. BTW, you will see Martin again. "the episode where they realize they made a terrible alliance ten years earlier and give their lives to get a message back to their earlier selves to prevent contacting the planet via stargate" 2010. Cool episode. Not the last time we see the Aschen. Anyway, what about "Double Jeopardy"? I liked it. The effects were good, especially when O'Nell was fighting his bot. Kumtrya! ;D
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Post by oblivion on Jan 11, 2005 22:40:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I liked Double Jeopardy. ...and yet another loose thread snipped. It was hard to picture the SG1 androids settling for just hanging around repairing stuff. They were too well duplicated But what's wrong in season 5? The other characters are full of viss and pinegar. But Anderson seems kind of burnt out. Or O'Neill is burnt out? Is he about to have a midlife crisis or something? DON'T ANSWER THAT! I want to be surprised!
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Post by oblivion on Jan 27, 2005 22:25:38 GMT -5
Daniel Jackson
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Post by ConqueringWolf on Jan 28, 2005 10:00:45 GMT -5
welll.....I havent seen a lot of SG-1 to know a lot of the characters or what they have been through,....but what I know of Daniel Jackson I like....I can;t tell which version I like more,...the movie one or the series one...they both seem to have a lot of similarities. Though it seems to me that the Daniel jackson of the tv series is a lot more militaristic and more of a fighter than the movie one. Always had a subtle sense of humor....I liked how he got along with Teal'c especially....overall a nice character....a nice balance to the other personalities....
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Post by valderra on Feb 4, 2005 19:13:00 GMT -5
At first, Daniel Jackson's character was clearly defined. We knew him to be an expert in ancient cultures and languages and was therefore hired to decipher the old text and translate languages they encountered on each world. But later on, his character became different. Because the group had Teal'c, they didn't really need Daniel Jackson anymore to translate messages - Teal'c did it all. So... not only kept Daniel Jackson losing his glasses - in one episode you see him with and in the next without his glasses - but also his character changed. He started to develop muscles - anyone noticed that? And he began tooting guns and getting into the kind of action that requires years of military training and, if I am not mistaken, Daniel Jackson has always been a "private" person - non-military. I liked the Daniel Jackson of the first part of the series but not all that much in the latter part.
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Post by oblivion on Feb 4, 2005 19:54:16 GMT -5
I've wondered about some of the same things, Val. I really liked the character of Daniel, and still do (we're in season 6), but there have been some changes. I thought the episode where he impersonated Yu's personal servant was kind of over the top. Daniel Jackson: archeologist, linguist, pining widower, and...um...secret agent? He's still the conscience of the team, the one whose ethics bother him. But not enough to prevent him from a little shoot-em-up action. And not enough to prevent the development of an extremely biting and sardonic wit. Nothing self-deprecating in HIS humor. And yes, I noticed that he's buffed up a little over the seasons! In the first 2-3 seasons he was without question my favorite character. But as things have evolved, that's really not so any more.
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Post by motherof2 on Feb 5, 2005 1:47:03 GMT -5
I just wanted to add my 2 cents about jack and daniel..They are both HOT!!!lol I just love the way they both have different humor and the attitudes that they both have crack me up. I cant wait to see what happens in the new season with that new samantha copy runnin' around, thats gonna be interesting to find out how they defeat this one. And you are right, jack seems like hes losing his touch and yes danny boy is gettin a lil built..lookin good hunny lookin good ;D Dawn
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Post by valderra on Feb 5, 2005 6:05:51 GMT -5
I've wondered about some of the same things, Val. I really liked the character of Daniel, and still do (we're in season 6), but there have been some changes. I thought the episode where he impersonated Yu's personal servant was kind of over the top. Daniel Jackson: archeologist, linguist, pining widower, and...um...secret agent? He's still the conscience of the team, the one whose ethics bother him. But not enough to prevent him from a little shoot-em-up action. And not enough to prevent the development of an extremely biting and sardonic wit. Nothing self-deprecating in HIS humor. And yes, I noticed that he's buffed up a little over the seasons! In the first 2-3 seasons he was without question my favorite character. But as things have evolved, that's really not so any more. Errrmmmm... I like it that when I wrote the word "m e s s a g e", it got changed into "Incoming SubSpace Transmissions". LOL Anyway, yes... Daniel seems to have taken on many more roles over the seasons - but some of them not quite believable. I also always wondered how he was able to translate just about anything, and I mean anything, they came across. Sure, he was an Egyptologist (is that the correct word?) but that doesn't mean he knew all the different dialects they came across, right down to the Goa'uld's own version. But, I guess that is another story. ;D
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Post by oblivion on Feb 5, 2005 16:20:03 GMT -5
I just wanted to add my 2 cents about jack and daniel..They are both HOT!!!lol I just love the way they both have different humor and the attitudes that they both have crack me up. I cant wait to see what happens in the new season with that new samantha copy runnin' around, thats gonna be interesting to find out how they defeat this one. And you are right, jack seems like hes losing his touch and yes danny boy is gettin a lil built..lookin good hunny lookin good ;D Dawn Hi motherof2! Welcome to TR if I haven't said hello before (memory ain't what it used to be!) They seem to both have an appeal that goes beyond their own demographic don't they? I have a feeling that Jack O'Neill has more universal appeal. My hubby likes the wise-cracking self-deprecating humor of the O'Neill character. I don't think he sees as much to like in Daniel, though. I can't remember if Jackson was an Egyptologist in the movie or not. One of my favorite parts of the movie was when his "ear" clicked on and he realized he was hearing "Ancient Egyptian" as spoken, not as had been assumed by Earth's heirogliphic translators . In the series, I like the way Daniel checks with Teal'c on certain words or phrases that are technology-related. It adds to the sense of reality. Someone with a deep knowledge of Ancient Egyptian WOULDN'T have any exposure to the more specialized aspects of the vocabulary that may have changed over the last 10 thousand years. It would be like learning Middle English and then trying to decipher a contemporary book on quantum physics with basically the vocabularly of Chaucer. In the series he's portrayed as something far more than an Egyptologist. Early on, I assumed he was more a historian with strong subspecialty in linguistics and mythology. And that most of his research had focused on Egypt. The fact that he usually has to bring along a few thick books when called on to translate Latin (the ancients), Mesopotamian (The Tomb), etc., is some good script writing that doesn't push his established specialties around too much. He also has to resort to some equivalent of Google pretty often. Another nice touch! He's not Brainiac. He's just very good at finding what he needs when he needs it. A synthesist.
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Post by valderra on Feb 5, 2005 17:43:34 GMT -5
LOL Well, I think Daniel Jackson is the male equivalent of Carter - they both know everything in their field. LOL Anyway, this is what I have dug up for his character: Dr. Jackson joined the SG-1 team on a voluntary basis to study the cultures of other planets. He holds a Ph.D. in Anthropology as well as a Ph.D. in Linguistics, and has prior experience with the culture of Abydos. He is an expert in ancient cultures and languages in addition to current ones; he speaks over 20 languages including ancient Egyptian. Originally he was contracted by the military to decipher a mysterious hieroglyphic cartouche. His subsequent translation of the cartouche allowed the Stargate to be opened for the first time. He married Sha're, an off-world human and native of Abydos, after he chose to stay behind on the planet following the first mission, and he became something of a deity to the people of Abydos. His humanistic, liberal approach is often in conflict with O'Neill's militaristic approach. Some see him as a soft, brainy, clumsy scientist who carries a wide-eyed enthusiasm with him through every mission. --- --- --- --- Now, considering his "young" age, do you really believe he speaks over 20 languages - and never mind modern languages but ancient Egyptian as well... As with Samantha Carter, who knows just about everything that is to know of the universe, he too is too young to have had the time to study all that he knows - let alone 20 languages...
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Post by oblivion on Feb 5, 2005 20:29:21 GMT -5
It doesn't say how WELL he speaks 20 languages ;D. And when you see him in action it's pretty clear that he's a little rusty on some of them. I've met people who know 5 or 6 languages, most of which they learned as children. It's a lot harder to learn a language after age 12. It's fascinating to me how easy it is for kids to pick up new languages. My kids studied Japanese, Chinese and Spanish all in elementary school. I wish they'd kept their skills up, but oh well! I struggled to learn French and Latin well enough to pass muster in high school and at university. And I've forgotten them both for the most part . Use it or lose it! Anyway, a linguist learns how languages work. I studied linguistics for a couple semesters at university. I think it would be a lot easier for most people to learn a new language if they first learn a little about language roots and the basics of how any language must work. Unfortunately, I did it in the opposite order. First Latin, then French, and only later Linguistics. Most brilliant mathematicians and physicists are savants. They do their groundbreaking work in their 20s, possibly early 30s. It's the rare physicist who's still turning the world on it's ear in his 50s, 60s, etc. Dirac is really the only one who comes to mind. Hawking, too I guess. So for me, age doesn't apply when it comes to being a theoretical physicist. And languages are similar. You either are wired to learn languages and go whole hog in that direction, or you struggle to get through 4 years of a foreign language in high school in college. Or the third way, immersion at an early age. Which probably DOES wire your brain for language acquisition.
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Post by valderra on Feb 6, 2005 13:50:55 GMT -5
Well, I speak several languages but unless I speak a language well, I would never say, "I speak that language". But maybe that's just me. However, it doesn't say he just gets by with those 20 languages but that he does speak them. And even if he wasn't able to converse in all 20 languages fluidly, he still wouldn't have had the time to study (learn) them all in his age. Lets not forget that languages is not all he studied. Sorry, but I don't buy that.
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