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Post by ==XerXes== on Nov 23, 2005 15:53:56 GMT -5
science coincides with religion cuz both are truths and truths cant contradict so in a complicated way (maybe a little too complicated for our feeble minds ) everything that is absolutely PROVEN in sciene does agree with religion. some may disagree with this but there have been many cases where scientific facts have been proven wrong so just because a scientific fact outright goes against religion it doesnt mean this post isnt true... it probably means that fact is indeed not true....
that's so true, that's why i find it confusing to believe in god or not -specially being a biological science student
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Post by Zarokachsti on Nov 24, 2005 18:44:19 GMT -5
I agree with the whole science thing, there have been prove facts that support religion, and some saying there is no god, though like what was said before, in Science their are mistakes, people make mistakes. What if god didnt want people to find out scientifically, but find out in themselves, having faith in him. I kind of find it wrong how people are using science to try and find out if it is real, why not just forget it and just have the faith you should have.
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Post by Peter on Nov 25, 2005 9:39:47 GMT -5
science coincides with religion cuz both are truths and truths cant contradict so in a complicated way (maybe a little too complicated for our feeble minds ) everything that is absolutely PROVEN in sciene does agree with religion. some may disagree with this but there have been many cases where scientific facts have been proven wrong so just because a scientific fact outright goes against religion it doesnt mean this post isnt true... it probably means that fact is indeed not true.... Obviously science makes a lot of mistakes but the joy of knowledge is in learning. That is why science is studied, because we do not know it all. Science can contradict religion and we shouldn't dismiss theories merely because a translation of a book that is essentially claimed to be a translation of God's word implies it cannot be. That is merely to talk of Christianity, but it applies to most religions. Personally I have a very strange world view that did not fit with religion so I came to the point where I realised I had been fooling myself all the time. But then again, it doesn't matter what you believe as long as you believe in it.
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Post by Zarokachsti on Nov 25, 2005 19:42:03 GMT -5
I will always believe in god, even if science says not to, because god being as powerful as he is, he would be able to make sure science could not figure him out. Thats my whole idea on it.
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Post by Samus Aran on Nov 26, 2005 21:55:29 GMT -5
I believe in a God, but not the conventional type of God as portrayed in monotheistic religions such as Christianity, Islam, or Judaism. I also do not believe God(s) as depicted in polytheistic religions/mythology such as Greek/Roman mythology or Hinduism.
In all of the beliefs that I have mentioned, God(s) directly interact with us: humans. People pray to God, and believe that God will help them endure their hardships. There is also always a mention of the afterlife, whether it be heaven, hell, both, or reincarnation.
This type of God has no meaning whatsoever to me. I was once a Methodist Protestant, but I am no longer. I have also studied and even considered converting to first Buddhism and then Hinduism, but in both of these I have also found no truth.
We are in fact much too insignificant for the Gods to intervene in our affairs. No, I am not saying that God has forsaken us. I am saying that God has never been with us to begin with. Science can explain most questions we have about our lives. I believe in evolution and mathematical probabilities involving the existance of life here.
However, there comes a point where science can no longer explain things. Such as where did the universe come from? What shaped the very time-fabric that we exist in? Don't say Big Bang because that (if true) only explains that the universe was once small but has exploded and unwinded to its current state. But where did the materials (subatomic particles) to build everything in existance come from? What lies beyond the boundaries of our expanding universe? It doesn't even make sense that the universe is expanding because then theoretically there is a "wall" that you cannot break out of, but how can there be nothing beyond that?
If I may define God as a "being or entity with supernatural powers who exists above our plane of existence" then yes, I believe. This God is so "powerful" that he/she/it/? must have created/manipulated everything that we know exists, and has set everything in motion (Genesis on a much much grander scale). Life on Earth was not designed by this God. The universe was designed with scientific "laws" to govern everything that happens. Our existance is just an occurrence within the world that the God has made. This God is probably unaware of our existance nor cares about our petty disputes. If this is so, our lives mean nothing. You may interpret the world anyway you would like.
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Post by eninqueenubet on Nov 26, 2005 23:58:21 GMT -5
lol I would expect this type of reply judging by your signature. I myself am christian (and proud to be) but i see lots of things in judaism that explain how god makes sense. i dont think judaism is more true than christianity but ive like gone on websites about religion (forgive me, it was a phase lol) and i read stuff about lots of religions and i think judaism makes the most sense (has the most consistency) out of other religions. well anyway MUCH more than polytheistic religions lol - tryin not to be racist or prejudiced or whatever you want to call it i just think that doesn't make sense at all. I mean if youre gonna believe in a god shouldnt the god you believe in be one that can do everything? i mean, we eat cows for gods sake lol.
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Post by Zarokachsti on Nov 27, 2005 2:25:32 GMT -5
I have always wondered whats at the end of the universe, that is if there is an end, it doesnt make sense how it can go on and on and on and never stop, but then it wouldnt make sense to hit some wall and bounce off of it as though in a video game, maybe its a wall of black holes or worm holes, hit one and you are thrown somewhere else or just destroyed. I know this is completely off topic, but reading it above I couldnt help it.
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Post by Geoff on Dec 31, 2005 3:18:16 GMT -5
I don't. I always saw it as illogical. If a God does exist, I think he's a corrupt masochist. Too much evil and wrong occurs in everyday life, and if there is a God, he just lets alot of foul, disgusting stuff happen, which I know I would not slide if I were God. Haha.
Then again, I'm completely against organized religion, I just think it spawns arguments.
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Post by Peter on Dec 31, 2005 6:58:51 GMT -5
Mostly my problem with god is why it would want us to worship us unless it was a self-centred, foolish thing. And I won't worship a god like that, even if I could believe in it.
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Post by eninqueenubet on Jan 2, 2006 18:19:10 GMT -5
maybe to teach us that were not the center of the earth. if god doesnt tell us to worship him we won't and we'll just worship ourselves. besides, if we dont learn to be grateful to him, how can we be grateful to people, who, no matter how good a thing they did for you, can't mount up to giving you a life and a mind and a etc. etc. etc. I think it's to remind us that we're not all that, and we shouldn't make him angry (by doing bad stuff which our concience knows we shouldn't be doing [or at least should know]), cuz we owe him a thing or two.
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Post by Peter on Jan 3, 2006 8:03:40 GMT -5
I think if God exists then it is a total dictator type thing. I'm not going to follow that! I'm writing a play about it at the moment in fact.
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Post by Oliver on Jan 5, 2006 5:13:04 GMT -5
No! You lay off that play and stick to your music with DR! Dammnit, I'm sick of you super-talented people! You make us un-talented hakcs look like the dorks we are!
Lol kidding. What's the play about? ;D
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Post by Peter on Jan 5, 2006 5:31:40 GMT -5
No! You lay off that play and stick to your music with DR! Dammnit, I'm sick of you super-talented people! You make us un-talented hakcs look like the dorks we are! Lol kidding. What's the play about? ;D ;D It goes under the title of "The Rejection of Law" and is about a country founded and ruled by Supreme Ruler Law. To tell the truth I've not been writing so much of it recently but the concept is all there ready to be spun out. Essentially the plot is about the main character, Tristan, finding out that Law is not all he seems. He then joins a revolutionary group that brings about the downfall of the Law dynasty. There will also be a bit about how tyrants are only able to exist if they hold the loyalty of the people (kind of like God). I'll let you read it when (if?) I get it finished.
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Post by Oliver on Jan 12, 2006 18:33:44 GMT -5
Lol, sounds pretty rad (radical ;D) Look forward to reading it!
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Post by eninqueenubet on Jan 13, 2006 1:43:50 GMT -5
kool
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