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Post by ~§k¥ÐøGG~ on Jan 13, 2006 18:37:14 GMT -5
Yes i do. I am lutharin. I Dont like Church but i still go. Not because i want to, Because its part of my religion. and i dont hate people because of there religion. I Dont hate people if they dont beleive in god. I Beleive its a choice to beleive in him or not. in this case you dont and im not saying anything like " you suck God is real u fag". im just saying its a choice. But some people in other cases are racest. But i guess i should stop talkign now. But i just wanted to share that with you.
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Post by Oliver on Jan 15, 2006 19:44:20 GMT -5
There's something I wanna know about God... if he's all forgiving... then why do we have to obey his rules? I'm sure he'll forgive me for it. I mean, he is all loving and forgiving, right?
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Post by eninqueenubet on Jan 16, 2006 23:56:51 GMT -5
ya, forgiving if WE'RE REALLY SORRY. we cant just do something and plan that he'll forgive us... then that defeats the whole purpose of him telling uus to do stuff in the first place
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Post by silance on Feb 17, 2006 4:49:38 GMT -5
Hello everyone
It's not that easy to say i believe in God, or no i don't, i mean, if we believe in God, then we should sourounder ourself, but yet, most of us, we are believing in God, but we are not souroundering ourselves, so in it, there is something, us, we have to know ourself, before thinking of knowing Him.
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Post by silance on Feb 17, 2006 4:53:39 GMT -5
There's something I wanna know about God... if he's all forgiving... then why do we have to obey his rules? I'm sure he'll forgive me for it. I mean, he is all loving and forgiving, right? if you don't obay his rule and i don't obay his rule, imagine, what will happen to the world, everybody will eat each other, so there is his rule for the better of humanity, He is the most merciful, and forgiving if we don't do the same mistakes again. and if He keep forgiving us, what was the point of him creating us?
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Post by Peter on Feb 20, 2006 7:11:42 GMT -5
That doesn't make sense to me. Why should god's rule be the only thing to stop us "eating each other"? One doesn't have to believe in some divine being to believe in morality. And what have the christian/jewish god's rules brought us in the end? Sure, for a while they were the most convenient way of establishing law but now it is unnecessary. What was the point of it creating us anyway, incidentally?
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Post by metalicfairy on Feb 20, 2006 17:59:55 GMT -5
Yes, I do beleive in God, and only a short while ago I wasn't at all sure of God, in fact I was verging on the side of wanting to comit suicide, ok maybe it was a little farther than verging. My parents had just split up, and my dad was, and still is, manic depressive, my brother and sister were heavily into drugs, and i was so depressed that i almost tried to kill myself. Since I had rediscovered God I had become much happier and had more control. a few months later, (My brother was in jail, and still is) I found out that my brother had gone crazy, from all of the drugs. I had a tough time for awhile but I wasn't nearly as depressed, i was't even depressed at all. Ya know why? because I had God with me and in my heart, so whenever i see that someone doesn't beleive in God, I feel sorry for them and how much they're missing, so think twice if your confused, and try to get God back , not push Him farther away. xoxo Christina
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Post by Peter on Feb 22, 2006 12:38:43 GMT -5
Personally, I think that religion does have benefits as you have pointed out. Just recently in New Scientist the evolutionary benefits of such a thing as religion were discussed and I found it a very good article. The benefits brought by the chemical reactions in the brain and body that group religion can stimulate ease stress, worries, and can even lengthen life. However, I myself find the search for the truth far more important. At some stage in our evolution I don't think religion will be necessary. That doesn't mean I don't think people should be religious; in fact, quite the contrary. Religion is merely a form of philosophy and our internal philosophy is entirely up to us.
Nonetheless, organised religion can pose some serious problems. Conflicts between doctrines can lead to religious war, as we have often seen both in past and present. Religions that depend on ancient (or even modern) texts often fail to incorporate the scientific standards of observation, by requiring followers to show 'blind faith'. This particularly I find unacceptable as our philosophies should be built upon external evidence for them to be valid.
In some cases I think organised religion has its benefits - an example being the laws it can introduce to a society which in other cases might be lawless. However, these laws over time gradually become irrelevant and leave us with many problems. For example, in the time when Jesus supposedly lived and for some time afterwards, women were repressed terribly. Some of the advice given in Paul's letters seems to us to be repressive to women as well, but it is important to note that relative to social conditions these pieces of advice were liberating to women. Not so any more, and we should not cling to them now simply because this book tells us to.
Religion is something I have studied quite extensively, not least because for most of my life I was a Christian, or at least fooled myself into believing so. I have since discovered that this belief is not something I can hold at the same time as my philosophies which have come to me through experience. There is a lot of what the Bible teaches, and the implications of it, that seem appalling to me, and there is no way to justify them to my philosophy.
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Post by eninqueenubet on Mar 3, 2006 19:26:26 GMT -5
they did this study, and i'm not sure what the percentages were, but people that are sick or dying who pray or have someone pray for them have a better chance of physically living through and surviving the sickness. i guess you could wave that off as their body getting better b/c of happiness, or just a coincidence, but personally i dont believe in coincidences. everything has to happen for a reason. i mean, everything is way too controlled for that not to be true. ok, lets say you believe that the whole creation of the universe was just one big coincidence, the creation of planets and blah blah blah everything else was a coincidence, the creation of life itself (which is basically impossible) is just a coincidence, the creation of multiple celled organisms was just a coincidence, the creation of animals is just a coincidence, and the creation of a human mind (just think into it for a second - the human mind is absoutely astonishing) is just a coincidence, then how about the actual running of the world? how many times was the earth on the verge of being hit by a deadly comet and escaping? how many times was the world threatened, and how many times did it make it through without a scratch? the earth itself has so many barriers and protections - it's just perfect. and look at humans - if WE'RE not perfect i don't know what is. we have every protection and more, and every single part of our bodies serves some purpose. we're the most advanced machine; the most perfect things ever.
just step back for a second - isn't everything perfect? our bodies; the world - ultimately everything in this universe couldn't be better. really. (and dont get carried away with war and death - come on sometimes even bad things like that are necessary)
and we - perfect people, live on a perfect earth, in a perfect universe that ALSO helps us in so many hidden ways - you're going to wave that all off as a coincidence? or maybe we live in the perfect universe of all those in the multiverse. maybe we're just the lucky ones and we were born into the universe where everything is perfect! uh, i don't think so!! come on guyz, WAKE UP!!!
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Post by Peter on Mar 5, 2006 16:53:01 GMT -5
just step back for a second - isn't everything perfect? our bodies; the world - ultimately everything in this universe couldn't be better. really. (and dont get carried away with war and death - come on sometimes even bad things like that are necessary)
No, not really. In fact, our bodies have so many shortcomings that the idea of "intelligent design" should perhaps be changed to "stupid design". But, it is somewhat obvious that out of a universe of so many planets (possibly in a multiverse of so many universes) there will be a few that reach sentient life. There is no coincidence, there is merely probability. As to prayer, that has a benefit when people know they are being prayed for [New Scientist, cant remember what issue but it was sometime last year]. Surely that shows it as a kind of "placebo effect". Again, the idea of belief in improvement being a self-fulfilling thing.
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Post by xdarkx on Mar 5, 2006 23:21:28 GMT -5
No, I beleive in the Goddess, there is a difference.
I agree, to me the bible is rubbish. And the prophets, jesus, the disciples, they were probably all schizofrenic people that thought "god" was talking to them.
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Post by Peter on Mar 6, 2006 8:58:52 GMT -5
Could you describe the Goddess? Like, what she stands for etc, how she interacts with this world.
I agree that the Bible is untrue but that doesn't make it rubbish; for a long time it, among other such religious texts was a very important force of order in society. However, we have now reached a stage where I think it is important to pursue freedom and to liberate ourselves from the chains of theocracy and the influence of an old book. The messages present are a mixture of myths and outmoded social laws.
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Post by Jessa on Mar 10, 2006 11:34:32 GMT -5
This is always such a strong subject, no matter where it comes up:/
I personally believe in God, in my own way which may seem strange to other people. I went to catholic schools for 15 long years and attended church with my father before coming to the UK. I don't follow the bible, though it does have some interesting stories, who knows what it really means, there are way too many different variations of the bible for me to say 'well mine is right yours is wrong' all the stuff in it seems a bit far-fetched.
As for the sick getting healthier after people praying for them..its a psycological thing. They're told that they're being prayed for and judging by how much they really believe in their time of need prayers will help them, the mind can overcome an illness for a short period of time.
I'm not bashing praying or anything, as I pray on a regular basis.
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Post by kingthedevil666 on Mar 10, 2006 17:41:47 GMT -5
I believe that the goddess is what pagans believe in and it also has to do with wicca? The goddess represents good and stuff like that. I am not fully sure though.
ok Do I believe in God? no I don't
God is an imaginary friend for adults. Also I don't believe in having a religion. I mean think about it all religions claim to be the true one right? But how can any of them be true? I mean ALL religions were CREATED by HUMANS.
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Post by Jessa on Mar 13, 2006 13:09:53 GMT -5
I like to believe there is something bigger than us out there..but I'm not too much of a firm believer. I am a believer in re-incarnation tho
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